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Rick Warren’s Call for Christians to Unite With Catholics, ‘Holy Father’ Raising Concerns
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| December 2, 2014
| Heather Clark
Posted on 12/03/2014 10:23:22 AM PST by NKP_Vet
In a new video, megachurch leader and author Rick Warren is calling for Christians to unite with Roman Catholics and Pope Francis, who Warren recently referred to as the Holy Fathera move that is raising concerns among Christians nationwide and is resulting in calls for Warren to repent.
Warren made the comments following his visit to the Vatican last month, where he spoke at an interfaith conference on the Complementarity of Man and Woman.
We have far more in common than what divides us, he said in the two-minute video released by the Catholic News Service on Wednesday, described as being an outline for an ecumenical vision for Catholics and Protestants to work together to defend the sanctity of life, sex and marriage.
They would all say, We believe in the Trinity; we believe in the Bible; we believe in the resurrection; we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, Warren asserted, speaking of the various denominations within Christianity, of which he included Roman Catholicism. These are the big issues.
The author of the bestselling book The Purpose Driven Life then sought to defend Catholics from those who take issue with the practice of seeking the intercession of Mary and the various deceased persons that have been sainted by the Vatican.
Sometimes protestants think that Catholics worship Mary like shes another god, but thats not exactly Catholic doctrine, Warren contended. People say, What are the saints all about? Why are you praying to the saints? And when you understand what they mean by what theyre saying, theres a whole lot more commonality [that we have with Roman Catholics].
Theres still real differencesno doubt about that, Warren stated. But the most important thing is, if you love Jesus, were on the same team.
He closed by speaking of his belief that Christians and Catholics serve as co-laborers for the cause of defending life and family.
When it comes to the family, we are co-workers in the field in this for the protection of the sanctity of life, the sanctity of sex and the sanctity of marriage, Warren said. So, theres a great commonality and theres no division on any of those three.
But Warrens comments have raised concern from Christian leaders nationwide, who are now calling the Saddleback leader to repentance. Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) repudiated each of Warrens points.
Sure, there are Catholics who love the real Christ, the one who died on the cross for our sins. That is not the problem, he said. The problem is the Roman Catholic Churchs false teachings concerning Mary and salvation.
Rick Warren says both the Catholics and the Protestants believe in the Bible. But, there is a significant difference between the Bible of the Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, which has added seven books, Slick wrote. [T]here are numerous problems in the apocryphal books, such as the teaching of salvation by works [and] the offering of money for the sins of the dead.
Warren implies that both Protestants and Catholics have the same view of salvation, he continued. Though its technically correct to say that Catholics believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, they reject justification by faith alone in Christ alone. Instead, it teaches that good works of various kinds are necessary for salvation.
The Christian apologist then pointed to several Roman Catholic teachings on Mary, mainly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), such as that Mary by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation and that [b]y asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the Mother of Mercy, the All-Holy One.
Rick Warren has not only failed to recognize the problems in these serious areas, but he has lent his credibility as a Protestant pastor in support of the Roman Catholic Church, Slick wrote. This should never be done by any Protestant pastor who takes the Bible seriously. I must conclude that Mr. Warren does not take the word of God seriously and/or he does not understand the damnable teachings of Roman Catholicism regarding salvation.
Rick Warren needs to repent, he said.
TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholics; christendom; evangelicals; unity
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Who then can be saved?
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:33:05 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: BillyBoy
Last time I checked, they were in the bible canon from the start, then protestants decided to REMOVE seven books in the 1600s. The apocrypha was a part of the KJV
122
posted on
12/04/2014 4:35:28 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Resettozero
"The banshee wails her horrible song! The bone-charring sounds rip your heart apart! You die..."
123
posted on
12/04/2014 4:37:44 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Resettozero
All depends on who was called and who answered and who continued to follow the Lord Jesus Christ from then on.Parable of the Sower...
Why do some seem to be surprised?
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:39:44 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Gamecock
Did she have SHINY black, patent leather shoes?
125
posted on
12/04/2014 4:40:42 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Fantasywriter
The denomination I was raised in believed baptism by immersion was a necessary part of being saved.There are MANY groups represented in FR threads that believe SOMETHING is 'necessary' for Salvation.
Acts 15:1 shows an example of them.
126
posted on
12/04/2014 4:43:31 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: pat1969
We Catholics didnt ADD anything to the Bible. You added EVERYTHING to it!
We KNOW that without YOU guys; we would not even HAVE a bible today; just the Septuagint!
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:45:24 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: pat1969
You guys CUT seven books out when you broke away from us, 1500 years after the establishment of what had been, until then, the ONLY Christian Church, the Roman Catholic Church. The Orthodox boys might have a bit of a different take on history than your version.
128
posted on
12/04/2014 4:48:34 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: free_life
Can it be more clear than DO NOT ? How more clear does the Lord have to make it? Do not judge, do not force your "truth" "your doctrine" .
Judge NOT???
Sigh............
Jesus has commanded us to judge!
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).
Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.
But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us (2 Thessalonians 3:6).
And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).
Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).
Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple (Romans 16:17,18).
All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheeps skin.
We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment. (John 7:24).
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:49:40 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: free_life
Can it be more clear than DO NOT ? How more clear does the Lord have to make it? Do not judge, do not force your "truth" "your doctrine" .
Acts 17:18-19
18. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
19. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
1 Corinthians 4:17
For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
1 Corinthians 11:2
2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.
Ephesians 4:14-15
14. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
15. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
1 Timothy 2:7
And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
1 Timothy 4:11
Command and teach these things.
1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
2 Timothy 1:13
What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
Titus 2:1
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:50:40 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ansel12
I sure never heard of such a thing as you just claimed,What do you expect from someone who has claimed that we PROTS don't know anything about Catholicism?
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:51:48 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: free_life
I am just posting scriptures, let the Word of God judge us, I am not. Me; too.
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:52:26 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: free_life
Bless you...bye.There goes...
...contend for the faith...
133
posted on
12/04/2014 4:54:00 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: NKP_Vet
Do the research yourself.You are a mighty poor witness!
134
posted on
12/04/2014 4:56:05 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: terycarl; metmom
...the Catholic church condemns none to hell and as a Catholic you should know that.
Without Christ and the seal of the Holy Spirit in them, ALL men stand condemned already. That's why it was so very important that God send His only begotten Son into the world to accomplish His will, proving His matchless love for us.
How many times has she posted that she's a "former" Catholic but no longer is a member of the RCC? It's sounding as if you may be a proponent of slavery.
To: metmom
You left out desperation.
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:57:42 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ansel12
How does Billy Graham support Mormonism?He may have been thinking Osteen...
137
posted on
12/04/2014 4:58:55 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: JPX2011
I do.
They just have a lot of extra baggage to carry.
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posted on
12/04/2014 4:59:26 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: metmom
Boatbums is forever correcting that error that keeps getting posted by Catholics, interestingly, the same Catholics she keeps correcting who keep posting the same error over and over again. Like they never saw it the first dozen times or so.In my teaching experience; I've found it MUCH easier to teach stuff that is IN the bible; than UN-teach stuff that ain't!
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posted on
12/04/2014 5:01:31 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Birkenstocks.
SHINY black, patent leather ones.
140
posted on
12/04/2014 5:02:50 AM PST
by
Gamecock
(Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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