Cardinal Would Refuse Communion to Pro-Gay Marriage Catholic Legislators

RTE News (Ireland) ^ | 11/15/14

[marshmallow]

One of Pope Francis' most vocal critics, who was demoted last week from his leadership of the Vatican's Supreme Court, has said he would refuse Holy Communion to any Catholic legislator who voted for same-sex marriage.

Speaking before a Limerick conference on the Catholic family, Cardinal Raymond Burke declined to comment on the Government's planned referendum over gay and lesbian marriage.

However, he said he would refuse Communion to pro-gay marriage Catholic legislators in the same way he did in the case of pro-choice legislators in his native United States.

He also reiterated his call to the Pontiff, made during last month's Synod on the Family, to clarify "at this point" where the Catholic Church stands on homosexual relations and on giving Holy Communion to divorced and civilly remarried couples.

[terycarl]

you have to be very careful about punishing legislators who vote the way you don’t like. While I agree with tossing out those who don’t vote the way I think, these people are elected to represent the views of their constituents. Romney care comes to mind, the people of Mass. voted Romney in as governor, but they are ultra liberal, and state run health care was apparently what they wanted.

[terycarl]

The person can continue to attend Mass, but they probably won’t.

I know 3 divorced, remarried Catholics that still attend Mass...don't recceive Communion, but are there every week!

[Romulus]

A lot of bishops complained about Athanasius too. So what?

The idea that Burke has interfered in other dioceses simply because he doesn’t conceal his opinions, is just silly. He has not pretended to authority he doesn’t possess; he has only spoken his mind.

Burke was removed from St Louis for the same reason Athanasius and John Chrysostom were removed. He commits truth, and can’t seem to break the habit. Not everyone is truth-tolerant. It’s a spiritual problem.

The Sacraments all are interwoven, Kolo. You can’t tamper with one without corrupting them all. If I can get a second marriage because things stink, then so can Jesus. By those standards, he deserves it far more than I. You really want to go there?

You usually show more good sense than this.

[ebb tide]

Bravo, Romulus.

[marshmallow]

The Russian Orthodox Church is becoming increasingly involved in the culture wars. Hardly a day goes by without me hearing a statement from one or more members of their hierarchy about matters outside their dioceses. +Kirill, +Hilarion and +Vesevelod are constantly decrying Western decadence, including the issue of homosexual "marriage" and propaganda. +Hilarion, in particular, has been touring America, lecturing on matters ecclesiastical and cultural and warning of the dangers of following the theology adopted by mainline Protestant denominations, such as the Episcopal Church. He certainly doesn't seem too concerned that he's breaking any canons. I'll ping you the next time I post a thread on the subject. He sounds remarkably like Burke, in many respects.

Strangely, I never hear a peep from the Greeks.

Are they sulking because the Moscow Patriarchate is getting all the press or have they simply retreated into their ghetto and pulled down the shutters on what's happening in Sodom and Gomorrah?

[Mrs. Don-o]

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[Mrs. Don-o]

Amen.

[married21]

There once was a Cardinal named Burke
who thought Pope Francis a jerk...
It wasn’t his falta
he shipped off to Malta.
“Ciao,” said the Pope, with a smirk.

[nanetteclaret]

Kolokotonis, have you ever met Cardinal Burke? I have and I can tell you that he is very kind, a true gentleman, and is very straightforward. I can’t help but think that you have him confused with someone else, but if you are sincere in your criticism, please tell us all which Canons he violated which make him a “heretic.” I’m sure we would all like to know. And please refer to these Canons by their name and/or number, so that we may be better informed.

[Kolokotronis]

Well, where to begin with a heretic like Burke? Quite aside from inviting child molester priests into his diocese and turning them loose on the public, for which there is no canonical prohibition that I am aware of but civil law can deal with that(maybe he and Bernie Laqw would like to move back here), for starters take a look at Canon 14 of the Apostolic Canons. Then there is Canon VIII of Nicea, Canon II of the Second Ecumenical Council, Canon V of the Fourth Ecumenical Council. There are other earlier ones.

Burke is also noted for his extravagance in dress. This violates Canon XVI of the Seventh Ecumenical Council, though to be fair, a number of Orthodox bishops are guilty of this one. I can likely find other disciplinary canons even from the West, but I have a meeting to go to. Were I a Latin, I'd pick another hill to die on in my fight with the Pope.

[nanetteclaret]

In the first place, all of your canon references back up your complaint that Cardinal Burke went to another diocese and did something. When was this and where was it? Why did he go? What did he do? If you are saying that he was meddling in another bishop’s diocese, I absolutely do not believe it. I have a letter from him in which he answers a question I asked of him, and he told me I would have to ask my own bishop as he did not have jurisdiction. As for him “wearing elaborate clothing,” he wears the vestments and cassock of the clergy pre-Vatican II. Judas Iscariot complained about Christ being annointed with costly ointments, so it isn’t surprising that a prelate who is standing up for traditional Church teaching is being attacked for what he wears.

I think you ought to go back and read the definition of calumny and detraction. I don’t know which this is, but I think it is one ir the other since you cannot seem to supply any factual evidence.

[jimmyo57]

NICE!