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To: cva66snipe

“Abortion is sin.”

I know it is, but it is never once mentioned in scripture. Every Protestant opposed birth control for Biblical reasons for nearly 400 years. Now almost none do, yet the Biblical text hasn’t changed. So what did change?


381 posted on 11/15/2014 10:22:02 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Murder is referenced in scripture, and so is the consequences of injuring the unborn even by an unintended result of an evil action. So I’m not sure of your point.


384 posted on 11/15/2014 10:30:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: vladimir998; cva66snipe
>>I know it is, but it is never once mentioned in scripture.<<

Sure it is.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

401 posted on 11/15/2014 11:10:33 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: vladimir998
I know it is, but it is never once mentioned in scripture. Every Protestant opposed birth control for Biblical reasons for nearly 400 years. Now almost none do, yet the Biblical text hasn’t changed. So what did change?

Thou shalt not murder covers abortion. Abortion has been around much longer than the 20th century and likely practiced predating Christ earthly birth. Remember the Romans 2000 years ago who did the first recorded C-Section.

Birth control is a different issue all together. It too has been around for several thousand years. The Egyptians IIRC developed the condom. Scripture taken out of context has lead to a lot of beliefs that aren't accurate. One man was ordered by GOD to marry his brothers wife and produce a child. That was under the Law of Moses. It was for the womans sake to be provided for as much as it was to continue a bloodline. The law was if a mans brother passed without a male heir the brother was to take her as his wife. This was in a time of plural marriages. Would you want to marry your sister in law? That thought terrifies me LOL. I've never met mine and in my previous marriage both were repulsive.

OK back to the point. The man refused to finish his appointed task GOD ordered him to do and was punished. From that one passage has come a lot of misunderstanding and adding too.

A couple should have what children they can provide for. Now follow me close on this. If they have six kids and say this is all we can provide for then yes birth control should be acceptable because there are heirs etc. They have procreated IOW.

At the same time if they have a slip up they should say GOD's Will be done and tighten the belt so to speak and raise the child or in worse case scenario allow others too.

Should a couple be required say to place the woman at risk of life to have a child just to have a child? Meaning simply this. If the wife has health issues that make pregnancy a great danger both to her and the child "IF" she were to conceive should birth control be allowed? There is no Biblical prohibition for not having kids. If she became pregnant that is a different issue. It becomes a wait and see situation allowing the pregnancy to continue. If the baby becomes distressed and will die if not delivered even at an age it may not survive who is gonna be Solomon? If the mothers health becomes endangered by the babies distress or a tubular pregnancy as another example most doctors by medical protocol even in Catholic Hospitals for the past century of modern medicine have taken the child unless the mother herself says otherwise. Sometime the child makes it sometime it does not.

My wife when much healthier, by her first husband had two kids which I helped raise since their very early teens. Now we have grown grandkids. At the time we married the doctors warned us please use birth control because the medications will either kill or greatly harm the baby or likely do same to her trying to carry a child. They had very legitimate reasons for their concerns and at least two were Roman Catholic doctors in a Roman Catholic based hospital ran by then Mercy healthcare. I got thinks taken care of so she would be safe.

Both of us are very pro-life. Had she became pregnant we would have welcomed the child and let the pregnancy if GOD willed go to term. If she had been in trouble and the loss of her life pending we would have waited as long as possible & said take the child and prayed the baby lived. That's just common sense.

I know the passage "Go forth and multiply". It was a blessing making reproduction possible. That too has been taken to extremes by some sects. But again by the original scripture laws I do not see anyone marrying their sister in law because their brother did not produce a son before his death.

402 posted on 11/15/2014 11:11:45 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: vladimir998
Every Protestant opposed birth control for Biblical reasons for nearly 400 years. Now almost none do, yet the Biblical text hasn’t changed


Every Catholic opposed birth control for Biblical reasons for over 2000 years. Now almost none do, for just WHERE are the LARGE Catholic families of old?

Some like to say...

You shall know them by their fruits.

447 posted on 11/16/2014 3:59:55 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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