Posted on 11/08/2014 4:34:43 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
‘At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder,’ said a prominent Catholic conservative last week. No big deal, you might think. Opponents of Pope Francis have been casting doubt on his leadership abilities for months — and especially since October’s Vatican Synod on the Family, at which liberal cardinals pre-emptively announced a softening of the church’s line on homosexuality and second marriages, only to have their proposals torn up by their colleagues.
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AM is correct about changes to the missal AFAIK. My agreement with you RAB is that, as you say, the issues go back to VII. Anyone who thinks that this “civil war” is only Francis’ doing is sorely mistaken.
Of course that’s true.
Not only was the Pope’s choice of words frivolous, it is impossible to guess what he was trying to say.
Can we agree with Pope Benedict, then Ratzinger? In answer to the question, “Does the Holy Spirit pick the Pope?” btw, I’ll go back and check but I don’t think I said He did or that the conclave was infallible.
“I would not say so, in the sense that the Holy Spirit picks out the Pope…I would say that the Spirit does not exactly take control of the affair, but rather like a good educator, as it were, leaves us much space, much freedom, without entirely abandoning us. Thus the Spirit’s role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined.”
OK fair enough. Thank you for taking me into that discussion. I still think “superstition” is a bit harsh and I do suggest that you read the Catechism on the topic of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, it seemed that the pope was saying that God is very small compared to the universe, like a simple Marvel Superhero, and that God has to work within an already existing universe. But then is seems to say that His powers to work within that universe are very limited. To say God is not Magic is to say He can't do anything supernatural which takes away all Miracles. So that removes God completely from the pope's doctrine.
I think the issue is: Are the Cardinals listening to the Holy Spirit?
Given the fact that most of them are Modernists, it’s highly doubtful.
It's always been my opinion that the lamemainstream media has always been anti-Catholic and anti-Evangelical. They are/were usually staunch and very liberal Democrats.
Perhaps that's changed more than I know. But, the media have always been rather subtle about their religious bigotry, towards any/all faiths, Protestant and Catholic.
Than bias, bigotry, whichever, is very smooth and practiced, which, I know, means that it is MORE practiced than I imagined.
Honesty and accuracy. I believe that the media were always dishonest and inaccurate but I was too young and naive to see it. As I've aged I see it ALL TOO CLEARLY.
The kind of people who go into and STAY in the media are of a type. Lol. On O'Reilly the women are, to the one, gorgeous blondes...Greta being the exception. They HAVE to have a normal woman...although SHE has OBVIOUSLY received some BODACIOUS face changes.
GONE is her hair-lip!
Gone is her innocuous hair-do and hair color.
Gone is her no-makeup look.
She will never be a Meygn Kelly but Fox News and the other networks have an UNENDING supply of pretty women to make into "anchors."
God bless America, home of the bleached blonde anchors.
To be fair to the Pope, he COULD have been saying that, although God is the creator of all things ex nihilo (Catholic dogma), this does not mean that we are likely to discover physical evidence of constant, repeated, direct, obvious divine interventions in the world or the universe. In other words, God’s creative activity (which is constant) takes place primarily through the operation of the stable physical natures of the things God has created.
This basic belief is the reason Judeo-Christianity fosters science, while other religions and philosophies don’t.
“superstition”?? Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.
The MORE Catholic-hating posts I read the MORE I see THEIR own lacunas regarding their faith. One doesn't wax poetic about things that don't matter.
The REVERSE is also true for Protestant-hating posts.
There are, according to Google, 3.3 billion Christians in the world. There are 30,000-40,000 DIFFERENT Protestant denominations among that plethora of Protestant denominations. The Catholic sites list 30,000 different Protestant denominations while the Protestants themselves list 40,000.
As for Catholics, Google lists 1.6 billion of those Christians as Catholics.
It's all fine, as that is what our good Lord allows. I trust in His judgment and that's enough for me. Let the blows on us fall, whether on Catholics or Protestants. We WERE warned of them.
I consider myself to be VERY blessed to be allowed in His faith--CHRISTIANITY.
P.S. HINDUISM: There are no women in Hindu heaven. ALL women must die and come back (reincarnation) as MEN to finally be saved into Hindu heaven. Hinduism is one of the more misogynist faiths on this planet. I THINK this is where the whole idea of houris (beautiful women for those GOOD men) came from in Islam. Hinduism, a VERY old faith, influenced other faiths whether those other faiths know it or not.
Reincarnation can take MANY, many lifetimes, as many as needed for the saving of a soul.
I agree with you. I think that people forget that, in the last days, our Enemy (satan), will be so clever as to deceive even the elect. I also have come to think that those who criticize, usually engage in that criticism far more than they engage in prayer and in their intimate relationship with Christ, Himself.
I see this division, which we have ALL seen in the Church (and in society in general) and it is growing in a very evil way. It is propelled by both pride and hatred. I believe that Mark Mallet is one of several who have spoken to this with great wisdom, completely in line with the Teaching Magisterium of the Church...and with love. He has a series of three writings on this division and factionalism that is not to be missed.
Part 1: http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-thin-line-between-mercy-heresy-part-i
Part 2: http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-thin-line-between-mercy-heresy-part-ii
Part 3: http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-thin-line-between-mercy-and-heresy-part-iii
We ALL need to go to Confession and ask God to bless us with great faith in HIM. Then we need to pray, first to improve our relationship with Him...and then to ask for His blessings upon the leaders and the People of our Church!
On September 29, 1978, Father Francis Benac, S.J., interviewed Mari Loli at her home in Massachusetts. Here are some of the questions and answers pertinent to our subject.
FATHER BENAC: Did the Blessed Virgin speak of communism?MARI LOLI: Our Lady spoke several times about communism. I don't remember how many times, but she said that a time would come when it would seem that communism had mastered or engulfed the whole world. I think it was then that she told us that priests would have difficulty saying Mass, and talking about God and divine things.
FR. BENAC: Did Our Lady ever speak of people being put to death?
LOLI: What Our Lady said was that priests would have to go into hiding but I didn't see whether they were being killed or not. She didn't exactly say they would be killed, but I'm sure they would be martyred.
FR. BENAC: Your mother told me that one night you were upstairs with your father and that you cried and cried for one hour. Afterwards your father said to her: "I have just seen the most touching sight. Loli was crying the whole time while saying, 'Oh, it's going to be like that? People are going to suffer like that? Oh, make me suffer!'" Do you remember what you said at the time?
LOLI: It was all related to communism and what is going to happen in the Church and to the people because all these things are to have repercussions amongst the people. When the Church suffers confusion, the people are going to suffer too. Some priests who are communists will create such confusion that people will not know right from wrong>.
Thanks for the information, but as of the last few months, I’m no longer in contact with those women. If I were, I’d pass your recommendations for books along to them.
Except for one, these were women whose husbands left them for other women. Most of these women were divorced legally. At least one was a senior citizen, but others were “middle-aged.” I met them at a church meeting. The process of annulment would be very expensive for them, so they first met with their pastors and others who could counsel them on the annulment process. They were told the Church’s position is that, because they were married for so long before their husbands committed adultery and left, an annulment would not be granted.
During the meeting, an official with the church visited to talk with them, so I got to hear firsthand what they were being told: They were told that not only can they never remarry, but even dating would be a sin. For the record, I’m not one of these women, in case this post is giving that impression. (I didn’t marry in the Catholic Church.) I was at this meeting for a different reason.
It’s a good thing YOU’RE not bigoted against *anti-Catholic bigots*.
One of Satan's clever tactics is promoting the lies that "unity" is of higher value than Truth, and that papal whims may be substituted for the Church's perennial teachings.
Division is inevitable when Truth is attacked.
"Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation"
When agitators within the Church launch a frontal assault on the Deposit of Faith, the responsibility for the ensuing division can be laid squarely at the feet of those who dare to attack doctrine in the name of "mercy".
"He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth."
"Better that only a few Catholics should be left, staunch and sincere in their religion, than that they should, remaining many, desire as it were to be in collusion with the Church's enemies and in conformity with the open foes of our faith." - St. Peter Canisius
Do you realize that you're addressing a PRIEST??????
Heh.
When non-Catholics express that opinion, they're called *haters* and *bigots* and are *anti-Catholic*.
oh well.......
You dope.
I was copying from another poster. Get a life.
DON'T even think of an apology. I might have to take you off my LIST.
The Holy Spirit was telling them and the bishops ignored Him.
In a perfect church Cardinal Burke or Pell or Muller would have been chosen pope and Francis would have converted to protestantism years ago. In the last 2,000 years there have been many Godly men that popes have tried to silence. Most are now canonized saints.
Unless your last name is *Kennedy*.
A woman whose husband left her for another woman has no recourse. It was not her choice and she should not be punished for it.
I just noticed now that you’re a Catholic priest. I didn’t know that. That means that you’re the right person to talk to on these matters. Thank you for being here to answer questions. :-)
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