6 Reasons This Evangelical Was Convinced ‘Humanae Vitae’ Is Right

ChurchPOP ^ | 10-19-2014 | Brantly Millegan

[millegan]

Today, Pope Francis beatified Pope Paul VI, who served the Catholic Church as the bishop of Rome 1963-1978. (“Beatification” is one step below being canonized a saint.) Paul VI had a jam-packed papacy, including finishing the Second Vatican Council, traveling to all six inhabited continents (a first for popes), and historic ecumenical break-throughs. But today he’s probably most remembered for his 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, which confirmed the Catholic Church’s long-standing teaching against contraception, abortion, and sterilization.

Outside of the Catholic Church (and, unfortunately, by a large number of people within the Church as well), the teaching of Humanae Vitae is considered absurd, if not gravely immoral and even dangerous for the world. Women’s liberation, population control, the war on poverty – don’t all of these causes need contraception, abortion, and sterilization?

I used to think so, at least regarding contraception (I was always against abortion).

[Salvation]

I appreciate you giving your point of view, and I am trying to explain the Catholic point of view.

In my way of thinking we could both be saying “Thank you” to one another as Christians.

Peace.

[Iscool]

In canonization, the Church recognizes that a person is already in heaven as a saint. It does not make someone into a saint.

Does that answer your question?

But those in your purgatory are not saints, correct???

[CyberAnt]

I agree.

Thanks.

[edwinland]

"But those in your purgatory are not saints, correct???"

Using loaded phrases like "your purgatory" shows that you are not interested in having a discussion, you just want to start a flame war between Catholics and Protestant. I don't use phrases like that when I have a genuine learning discussion with my Protestant friends. I'll pass on your bait.

[Religion Moderator]

you just want

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Iscool]

Using loaded phrases like "your purgatory" shows that you are not interested in having a discussion, you just want to start a flame war between Catholics and Protestant. I don't use phrases like that when I have a genuine learning discussion with my Protestant friends. I'll pass on your bait.

No bait at all...I can not acknowledge the Catholic purgatory so by just say 'purgatory' it looks as if I am buying into it...

[edwinland]

mea culpa!

[Ann Archy]

You don’t care WHY the Bible was changed and who changed it?? OK.

[CyberAnt]

Do those changes to the Bible hundreds and thousands of years ago change my FAITH; do they change my relationship with CHRIST ..?? NO, THEY DO NOT.

I’m sorry if that upsets you.

You can believe whatever you want; I just wish others would allow me the same.

[CyberAnt]

I wasn’t “insinuating” .. I was stating what the Bible teaches .. not what the Vatican teaches.

If you want to believe what the Vatican teaches .. I’m not stopping you .. I just don’t want it thrown in my face as the only truth. It’s just not.

I’ve had a lot of friends who were Catholics .. and most of them never knew what the Bible had to say about a lot of things. But .. you can chose to believe whatever you want; and hopefully you will afford me the same courtesy.

[Ann Archy]

uh...the Bible wasn’t changed until the King James version came along.....sorry.

[edwinland]

My apologies. I misread your post. I thought that you were saying that Catholics believe that canonization makes a person into a saint.

But if you and I both agree that Catholics believe canonization is the Church recognizing that a person is already in heaven as a saint then we’re in total agreement.