Posted on 10/18/2014 8:14:08 AM PDT by do the dhue
666 has meaning behind it. John the Revelator was Hebrew. He would have known that each Hebrew letter of the alphabet (which is a number too) has a meaning and/or symbol to it. In the scripture it was written as six hundred and sixty six. Not 666. I find the meaning of this is to be "in the end times, a head will emerge, Satan (snake), and will hook people into sin(disbelief in my book). Allow me to show you how it works by viewing this:
I believe that the letters used to write six hundred and sixty six would be the letter Tav because it equals 400, the letter Resh because it equals 200 and these two added together would equal six hundred. The letter Samech would be used to represent 60, the letter Vav would be used to represent the number 6. So, John would have used the letters Tav, Resh, Samech, and Vav (Vav can be written vav or waw depending on some people translate Hebrew) to represent six hundred and sixty six. Tav has a meaning of "end of existence". Resh has a meaning of "emerging head". Samech has a meaning of Satan or snake. And Vav has a meaning of hook and sin. In any case, you can find through these letters and symbols how John would have used Tav, Resh, Samech, and Vav to represent Satan and his prophetic future.
Let's not get all waw-waw'ed up...
Satan's poodle
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whoa... there's something i haven't heard in forever
...well, in my "Intro to Western Religion" course, the last third was spent the Torah, and we spent some class time on why the Torah begins with the letter it does.
From what I remember some 35 years ago, it looked something like a backwards "C" with a dot in it. Since Hebrew is R-L, it symbolizes that everything started with God, and there was no looking back/nothing before God, etc.
I suppose "I" from "In the beginning" could be a barrier or starting line, make that THE starting line.
It was. 666 is a rough Middle English translation of a Hebrew code word for the Emperor Nero. People need to remember that the book of Revelation was originally written in Koine Greek and NOT English, and that much of its narrative concerns the Roman Empire.
Not sure what this has to do with 666 in the bible...I suspect it doesn't. Just saying sometimes the number can show up in unrelated ways.
I am dyslexic so 666 is 999 to me : )
It seems to be an identifying factor that will known when it needs to be made clear.
Now that is the most interesting that I have ever seen. I pondered this idea some time ago: I thought, right now muzzies are at war with Jews, Christians, atheists, Hindu, Buddests, and anybody who opposes their ideals. Only another muzzy could tell the rest of the muzzies to put their weapons down. We will need three and half years of world peace during the first seven years of the tribulation. So, will a Jew, Christian, or anybody besides a muzzy get the rest to calm down for three and a half years? Just something I pondered once or twice. When I saw that video, I was reminded of that.
I saw that it could mean “in the end, a head will emerge, Satan, and will hook men into sin”.
I actually posted this on a couple Christian sites that I frequent. I did not get many responses or questions. I must say that FReepers were most insightful and I actually learned more here than I did on the other sites.
I want to thank everyone for their input. I respect all opinions. Thank God we are still free enough to hold such a conversation for the edification of each other. God gave me free choice and I have no ambition to make anyone think like me. I love freedom and God to much to do such a thing.
God bless you all.
PS to suijuris:
That looks like a very interesting link and I will need more time to look over it. And I will and thank you too.
That made me think of this woman (maybe one of "it's" daughters?) Barbara, seen here chit-chatting with a famous son-of-a-red-diaper baby...
I read the whole range of responses through to find if anyone had the thought that I have believed in for many years, and you are the only other one who has come up with this sensible interpretation. Congratulations for your plain, no-nonsense approach.
First, John was in a culture where Alexander's language was the standard, but where the government was by the Romans whose numerals were predominating.
Roman numerals can be used to communicate quantities of materials, men, and money, but they cannot be used to add, subtract, multiply, and divide like the Arabic (our) decimal system does, and for which we have rules that are natural in concept. Therefore, to me the Roman numeral(s) (arithmos) is (are) derived from human reasoning, not a natural number (that would include zero).
In order to understand what I am going to say, we must look at the actual Greek, as compared to the translators' interpretation, which in this case may be a little off base:
"και ινα μη τις δυνηται αγορασαι η πωλησαι ει μη ο εχων το χαραγμα η το ονομα του θηριου η τον αριθμον του ονοματος αυτου" (Rev 13:17 Textus Receptus).
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Rev 13:17 AV).
Here, the word "beast" is neuter (therion in the nominative), therefore the pronoun "his" (autou, which can be either masculine or neuter in the genitive case of the second declension) which refers to the beast, should be neuter also, and should be "its", not "his." By translating this pronoun as "his", the translators have done more than simply translate--they have misinterpreted this verse.
Also, the word "tis", an enclitic indefinite pronoun, has been translated as "man" when it should be simply "one." Furthermore, the word "number" (arithmos) is in this sentence anarthrous (no definite article), and therefore the definite article placed there by the translators is not necessary.
A better translation should be as follows:
"And that no one is able to buy or to sell not having the etched stamp, the name of the beast, or its name's number(ing system)."
That is, its numbering system could well be the Roman numeral assigned as alphabet letters as a method of dealing with quantities. Going on:
"ωδε η σοφια εστιν ο εχων τον νουν ψηφισατω τον αριθμον του θηριου αριθμος γαρ ανθρωπου εστιν και ο αριθμος αυτου χξς " (Rev 13:18 TR).
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (Rev 13:18 AV).
Again, the Greek "arithmos" means numeral or numbering system, the manipulation of which is "arithmetic." Furthermore, in Greek the absence of the definite article with a noun often denotes the quality the noun lends to an expression or that the noun is used adjectivially. Here in the above, the phrase is not speaking of a number derived by somehow counting the letters of a person's name as numerals. The phrase means the number system is humanly derived--it is a human numbering system, not a natural one.
"This is the wisdom: he who hath intelligence let him compute the beast's number(ing-system), for it is a human(ly-derived) number(ing system), and its numeral is chi epsilon sigma (in the Greek numbering system = 666 in Arabic numerals).
BUT the Beast's embossed seal, its "mark", also must display that numeral system.
And, as you have said, DCLXVI exactly represents tha whole numbering system. And that numbering system was not only present in John's day (the Roman Legion X was in charge of Jerusalem and its environs, and X was stamped on everything it owned or made there), but it is also present today. In fact, our American legal system, and it language, and our forms of government and speech are still greatly Roman in nature.
Remember the old clocks with Roman numerals for the hour marks? More so, look at the Great Seal of the United States, which is imprinted on every dollar bill, both obverse and reverse of the seal on the reverse of yhe demand note. Take out a dollar bill, and look on the reverse side, down at the bottom of the pyramid. On its base you will see there "MDCCLXXVI", containing the complete list of the numerals of the man-made system of numerals by which we still mark clocks, make outlines, etc.
The world now buys and sells in currencies which are evaluated in terms of that American dollar, eh? Is that not the world standard for buying and selling?
Who pushed for a United Nations, a New World Order ("Novus Ordo Seclorum" in Latin), as printed also on the Great Seal? Are we then, ah, to be equated with The Beast," or are our undertakings approved by God ("Annuit Coeptis", he.she/it approved our undertakings)?
Well, one might take a look at Daniel 2, where in verses 40-44 what we are is described there, a part of the Beast that will defy Christ until it is broken, and Christ triumphs. That is the Beast, and could be we are it, as Pogo said many years ago, rather than what we thought we were. Is one of our leaders--one of our Presidents--the Antichrist of The Beast personified?
Perhaps --
I am sorry to hear that you have this thought, because no born imperfect or subsequently damaged male, most particularly of the testicles, was at all acceptable for Temple sacrifice. Any sacrifice is one which represents He That Taketh Away Sins, and thewrefore must be perfect.
Only bulls, or bull calves were accepted for the burnt offering. No one would even imagine offering an ox.
Do you know why an ox is called an ox, and not a bull?
Or a gelding is not called a stallion?
To put a sharp point on this, a eunuch was not admitted to the Temple.
3 Any Israelite who sacrifices an ox,[a] a lamb or a goat in the camp or outside of it 4 instead of bringing it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to present it as an offering to the Lord in front of the tabernacle of the Lord—that person shall be considered guilty of bloodshed; they have shed blood and must be cut off from their people.
I don't know, because I am not one who sacrifices, for I believe in the final sacrifice, but I read this as if a person can sacrifice an ox, sheep or goat, but it must be brought to the tent of meeting to be examined, because it must be without blemish.
I may be wrong, because I am not schooled in this area. The [a] notation indicates male or female ox. Also, I just see Christ as the final sacrifice offered by my Father.
Wow. Just wow.
All things are possible to God of course. Personally I think this Hebrew letter/meaning transliteration is stretching the point, but if it helps jews understand, who am I to question?
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