I do. Do you understand what was written?
That sounds a lot like Roman Catholicism as commonly spoken of by many (but not all) Catholics.
Really? Can you point to the Catholic who says they can will their way to God without His Grace? Protestants see "faith" and "works", put two and two together and get five. But if one knows better (which can be inferred by the use of the modifier, "by many but not all" then it is their duty to fraternally correct them.
Protestants wouldn't want to leave these poor Catholics in ignorance and material heresy now would they? Or, does the protestant say, "Not my Church, not my problem." I think we know which is the more likely scenario.
But the Waldensians were not murdered for this. They were murdered for not bowing down to Roman Catholic claims to 'authority'.
I think you mean the authority of Alfonso II, Pedro II, Francis I, Charles Emmanuel II, etc.
Since as you've said, you have no problem removing heretics from our midst--- what next?
Oh we already know what's next. We're living it right now. "Your truth, my truth, no truth.
I did want to say this, however. If protestants want to look back to the Waldensians then perhaps they should also look back to their anti-Donatist sentiments. It certainly has implications for the modern era.
AND -- show us where and when this one known as Peter Waldo ever "returned to the Church".
He was ex-communicated. And according to historians, no one knows precisely where he breathed his last.
So go fetch. Back your own statements up, before I need to bother untangling ever more messes.
Though I will say, that all one needs to find is one Inquisitor among those you mentioned;
for there were a pair of papal bull written -- authorizing Inquisitors to ---in addition to jailing/imprisoning suspect heretics, to do most anything they saw fit.
On small phrase like that, often turned much violence committed against those the RCC perceived as challenges to their own claims of authority, characterizing them any way they could as "enemies of the Church".
That the persecution of the Waldenses persisted for centuries with no real correction, and even support (through bishops and Inquisitors) ties it all back right to office of papacy.
But I KNEW the wiggle-worm serpentine RC apologetic (such as characterized by that which is highlighted in brown text, above) in attempt to distance the wholesale murders from the Roman Catholic Church -- would come out, doing it's usual snake-footed, slithering tap-dancing. I've seen it a thousand times.
BUT-- you answer to what I've set before you in previous note, and include proof that this Waldo "returned to the church" instead of (eventually) being ex-communicated -- and then I may entertain some rebuttal you may have to offer as to under what authority these people were murdered -- and what their theology consisted of -- for that theology can be seen to change over time & place.
Meanwhile -- to any rebutal and additional claims you may wish to make -- bring proper documentation. I get sick and tired of doing all the work around here -- combating erroneous & twisted assertions. The half-truths, with a cunning twist to them -- which turns what truth there is of a thing into misleading statements which obscure or turn things sideways -- take much time to straighten out.
Like this sort of confused garbage;
pretends that the Waldensians even believed THAT.
Oh, they believed they needed to live a pure and sanctified life alright, but it is highly doubtful they believed they could do so "without His grace".
Even today --- there are many Roman Catholics, and others also -- who although they say they believe in Grace --- still believe they must also work to earn it.
An RCC counterpoint to this -- to be effectually granted this Grace you speak of-- need receive forgiveness for sins through the auspices of a Roman Catholic priest -- and no one else.
A wise, all-knowing God (which He is) would not have set up such a system -- as the Romanist one, as that was known (and functioned!) in centuries past.
God is good.
Not stupid, and cruel.
While YOU have the 'authority' of...
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.