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To: Heart-Rest
Ok; let's look at your link...

Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."


Revelation 5:8 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints:

HMMMmmm... seems like whomever writes Catholic Answers cannot READ Scripture very plainly.

I, for one, do not think that Ancients and Creatures are equal to Catholic saints!

1,326 posted on 10/13/2014 6:04:16 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"I, for one, do not think that Ancients and Creatures are equal to Catholic saints!"

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Well, Elsie, I'm sure we will all give "what you think" the precise level of esteem and respect it deserves.

Do you know what the term "ancients" means Elsie?

Perhaps this will help:

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"ancients" defined - people who lived in times long past (especially during the historical period before the fall of the Roman Empire in western Europe)

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Now, let me also help you with some alternate translations of that Bible text which might be easier for some here to understand.

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And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;    Revelation 5:8 (RSVCE)

When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.    Revelation 5:8 (NASB)

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We know for sure that the "four living creatures" and the "twenty-four elders" who bring the prayers of the saints before the Lamb are NOT God (who is definitely NOT a creature, and is definitely NOT one of the twenty-four elders).

When you really analyze that text carefully and prayerfully, it is easy to see who are presenting those prayers before the Lamb.

1,374 posted on 10/13/2014 4:34:26 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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