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Why would anyone become Catholic?
https://www.indiegogo.com ^ | October 2, 2014 | Indiegogo

Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?

As an evangelist and author who recently threw my own life into some turmoil by deciding to enter the Catholic Church, I've faced this question a lot lately. That is one reason I decided to make this documentary; it's part of my attempt to try to explain to those closest to me why I would do such a crazy thing.

Convinced isn't just about me, though. The film is built around interviews with some of the most articulate and compelling Catholic converts in our culture today, including Scott Hahn, Francis Beckwith, Taylor Marshall, Holly Ordway, Abby Johnson, Jeff Cavins, Devin Rose, Matthew Leonard, Mark Regnerus, Jason Stellman, John Bergsma, Christian Smith, Kevin Vost, David Currie, Richard Cole, and Kenneth Howell. It also contains special appearances by experts in the field of conversion such as Patrick Madrid and Donald Asci.

Ultimately, this is a story about finding truth, beauty, and fulfillment in an unexpected place, and then sacrificing to grab on to it. I think it will entertain and inspire you, and perhaps even give you a fresh perspective on an old faith.

(Excerpt) Read more at indiegogo.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; willconvertforfood
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To: metmom

Bears repeating. Tell ‘em.


2,641 posted on 10/20/2014 9:37:20 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Elsie

And these were all in just TODAY’s paper!


2,642 posted on 10/20/2014 10:03:43 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
This post is an absolute abomination.

Is it any surprise they demand their religious (nuns) wear burqas...

2,643 posted on 10/20/2014 10:08:44 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom; af_vet_1981

Appalling, yes, but perfectly consistent with the anthropo-cratic impulses of Rome. This lurch toward a spirit of murder is just the seed in full flower. The analytical shallowness of the attempt to justify these murders based on Scripture is breathtaking. The question of proper jurisdiction defeats every one of them. Easily.

The incestuous man Paul kicks out of the visible assembly? That’s a transfer from the jurisdiction of the Ecclesia of Christ to the jurisdiction of the world system, which is dominated by Satan. Paul nowhere advocates that the Ecclesia, by office or person, take the life of another. We release them to the jurisdiction that matches their moral choices.

Furthermore, the incestuous man is not a doctrinal dissident, he is committing an egregious sexual sin, which sort of sin very often is condemned under the near universal principles of natural law, and is classed with murder and theft and other evils that are already accounted for under both civil law and the law of natural consequences, which is usually where Satan catches up with bad men (and women).

And rightly you say that God took the lives of Ananias and Saphira. Again, note that Peter acted ONLY within his sphere of jurisdiction. The sin was identified, but Peter, unlike that time in the garden, was not reaching for a temporal sword, but handed the offenders over to God, a transfer of jurisdiction, and God DOES have absolute authority to take back any life He has given.

As for the two prophets of revelation, note their actions are justified as self defence. Their enemies are those setting about to harm them, and God gives them a means of self-defence that works until their mission is complete. Similarly, as I originally stated, it is NOT murder to protect one’s own life. But the blood on Rome’s brutal hands was not shed in an act of defence from physical violence, but mere doctrinal dissent, in which, even if it were the Ecclesia Christ is building (and it is not), it would still not have jurisdiction to take a human life.

As for the prophets of old, and under Moses, that was a theocracy, which by definition entails a temporal jurisdiction in combination with a spiritual jurisdiction. Jesus has specifically refused to give the Ecclesia temporal jurisdiction, so none of those OT examples are controlling. We may not do more and we must not do less than what is permitted to us in the jurisdiction created for us by the authority of Jesus and the apostles. Acting to end a human life outside that jurisdiction is not only physical murder, but spiritual suicide, as the soul that becomes accustomed to lawless killing may reach a point of reprobation from which there is no return. The wise will see the peril and will go another way.

Peace,

SR


2,644 posted on 10/20/2014 10:20:44 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: metmom
It’s absolutely appalling the number of Catholics who are advocating for the murder of non-Catholics whom they deem heretics, and then cobbling together unrelated passages of Scripture to justify it, no less. There is NO justification found anywhere, including Scripture, for the murder of someone rejecting a denominational affiliation. That the HOLY SPIRIT slew Ananias and Sapphira does NOT justify the RCC taking up the sword. It is NOT man’s job to remove people from this life. To imply that Paul justifies that action by taking out of context his quote about removing the immoral brother from fellowship and using it to imply that he approves of MURDER for disagreeing with the church is unconscionable. And the passage about the two witnesses in Revelation is not relevant in the least. THAT post 2,638, is an absolute abomination.

It seems to me your post to me is an extreme overreaction. Hysterics aside, neither Peter nor Paul murdered anyone. Nor did Elijah or any other prophet of the LORD. Yet they certainly did kill them, and using removing the immoral brother from fellowship is a novel euphemism for delivering a man over to death. The prophets and apostles, upon whom the church is founded, with Jesus Christ the chief corner stone, have this authority and power. The scripture is never irrelevant.

2,645 posted on 10/20/2014 10:27:28 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; metmom
It seems to me your post to me is an extreme overreaction. Hysterics aside, neither Peter nor Paul murdered anyone. Nor did Elijah or any other prophet of the LORD. Yet they certainly did kill them, and using removing the immoral brother from fellowship is a novel euphemism for delivering a man over to death. The prophets and apostles, upon whom the church is founded, with Jesus Christ the chief corner stone, have this authority and power. The scripture is never irrelevant.

You are being serious? Is this sarcasm at its most obscure?
2,646 posted on 10/20/2014 10:33:17 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
The prophets and apostles, upon whom the church is founded, with Jesus Christ the chief corner stone, have this authority and power

To murder, to kill, whomever you (RCC) decide to?
2,647 posted on 10/20/2014 10:42:13 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: af_vet_1981

Extreme overreaction?

That’s ironic coming from a Catholic whose religion has more than over reacted to dissent against itself with no Scriptural justification.

Hysterics?

No on both accounts.

It’s appalling that someone would use Scripture to justify murder.

This is clearly Catholicism exposed.


2,648 posted on 10/20/2014 10:43:18 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; metmom
The prophets and apostles, upon whom the church is founded, with Jesus Christ the chief corner stone, have this authority and power

To murder, to kill, whomever you (RCC) decide to?
2,649 posted on 10/20/2014 10:43:46 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Springfield Reformer
Appalling, yes, but perfectly consistent with the anthropo-cratic impulses of Rome. This lurch toward a spirit of murder is just the seed in full flower. The analytical shallowness of the attempt to justify these murders based on Scripture is breathtaking. The question of proper jurisdiction defeats every one of them. Easily.

"Spirit of murder?" Are you claiming the deaths of Ananias, Sapphira, and the unnamed Corinthian at the word of the apostles Peter and Paul are murder ? Are you seriously suggesting that ?

2,650 posted on 10/20/2014 10:44:26 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Resettozero

Appears so and this is NOT the first time this bloodlust has been expressed.

As an aside, I’ve noticed that when Catholics are taking a beating on a thread, they push the envelope and post stuff so extreme, that the thread usually spirals out of control and gets locked by the RM.

I don’t want to see that happen with this thread.

These posts need to remain up for all to see.


2,651 posted on 10/20/2014 10:46:34 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; Springfield Reformer
Are you claiming the deaths of Ananias, Sapphira, and the unnamed Corinthian at the word of the apostles Peter and Paul are murder?

There you go again: deflecting away from your mammoth gaffe.

And what unnamed Corinthian was put to death by Paul? Didn't you hear how the story ends in the second letter to the Church at Corinth?


2,652 posted on 10/20/2014 10:50:00 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Sadly, no.


2,653 posted on 10/20/2014 10:50:22 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981

Scripture can be used in a way that is irrelevant.

When it does not address the topic or is taken out of context to support something that it is no about, then it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And Paul did not hand the Corinthian man over to death and Peter and Paul certainly did NOT murder them. *removing the immoral brother from fellowship* is NOT a euphemism for murder. That is nothing but rationalization for justifying the RCC policy of murder of dissidents.

God help you, because you’re going to need it.


2,654 posted on 10/20/2014 10:54:59 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
These posts need to remain up for all to see.

It's been instructive for me but I'm not sure I want to share this thread with anyone in the future.

I'm not as embarrassed by my own blind spots of Biblical training as I am for some of the main RCC posters' here.

But, I do have this log in my eye, so...
2,655 posted on 10/20/2014 10:56:27 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: metmom
Extreme overreaction? That’s ironic coming from a Catholic whose religion has more than over reacted to dissent against itself with no Scriptural justification. Hysterics? No on both accounts. It’s appalling that someone would use Scripture to justify murder. This is clearly Catholicism exposed.

Yes, on both accounts. My scriptural points are spot on. The prophets, the apostles, and the LORD Jesus himself have the power to kill (Revelation 3 for example). It is not murder. It seems to me you are confused about who I am discussing, which, it seems to me, makes your reaction to me in a post both extreme and hysterical.

2,656 posted on 10/20/2014 10:59:29 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Resettozero

We all do. It’s a learning curve.


2,657 posted on 10/20/2014 11:01:05 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981
Yes, on both accounts. My scriptural points are spot on. The prophets, the apostles, and the LORD Jesus himself have the power to kill (Revelation 3 for example). It is not murder.

Anyone has the power to kill.

No one has the RIGHT to kill.

And killing in the name of religion is MURDER. And those who support it also have blood on their hands.

2,658 posted on 10/20/2014 11:02:59 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; All

If you read me carefully and in context you will not have any problem understanding my meaning.

Meanwhile, I leave it as an exercise to the reader to observe how AF is deriving a meaning exactly opposite to what I actually said. You, the reader, will doubtless find it instructive.

Peace,

SR


2,659 posted on 10/20/2014 11:06:01 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
If you read me carefully and in context you will not have any problem understanding my meaning. Meanwhile, I leave it as an exercise to the reader to observe how AF is deriving a meaning exactly opposite to what I actually said. You, the reader, will doubtless find it instructive.

You had written, to me, "Appalling, yes, but perfectly consistent with the anthropo-cratic impulses of Rome. This lurch toward a spirit of murder is just the seed in full flower. The analytical shallowness of the attempt to justify these murders based on Scripture is breathtaking. The question of proper jurisdiction defeats every one of them. Easily. "

It is my understanding of your words that you accused me of a shallow attempt to justify these murders. Ananias and Sapphira, and the unnamed Corinthian were those I mentioned, with references to the prophets of Baal and those he, most likely, will kill in Revelation. And for this do you accuse me, and perchance God himself, of a spirit of murder ? Bad form.

2,660 posted on 10/20/2014 11:14:50 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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