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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: vladimir998
>>Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.<<

Please show an infallible source that proves that what the Catholic Church teaches today is what the apostles referred to as tradition.

341 posted on 10/05/2014 12:07:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

“Please show an infallible source that proves that what the Catholic Church teaches today is what the apostles referred to as tradition.”

Sure, as soon as you show me a verse that explains sola scriptura just as Protestants believe in it today.


342 posted on 10/05/2014 12:10:31 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: editor-surveyor

“The epistles to Timothy leave no room for anything that was not written in the ancient Hebrew scriptures.”

You’ve just said there is “no room” for the New Testament. Thanks for displaying the logical absurdity of Protestantism.


343 posted on 10/05/2014 12:12:00 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”, vladimir998 wrote:

Sure, as soon as you show me a verse that explains sola scriptura just as Protestants believe in it today.

P.S. Especially that odd and tiny sect or sects that condemn venerating the Cross, condemn the celebration of Christmas, Easter and Lent and declare that no organized Church represents true Christianity.


344 posted on 10/05/2014 12:14:31 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“all scripture” means all scripture known to hellenized Jews at the time.


345 posted on 10/05/2014 12:27:56 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: verga; metmom

Have you stopped beating your wife?


346 posted on 10/05/2014 12:33:49 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: BlueDragon

I don’t respond to attempts at vague irony. If you have a direct and plain question, I’ll answer.

The Septuagint was created as the necessary reading for Jews who find it easier to read in Greek. It included the Deuterocanon. St. Paul, no matter what his personal background was, chose to write in Greek as well. So did the Evangelists, and Peter, and James. Clearly, Greek was to them the language of the Church. The Deuterocanon was a part of the Christian Scripture at the time of St. Paul’s writing, and he said “all scripture” is inspired.


347 posted on 10/05/2014 12:34:18 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: boatbums; BlueDragon
Who is it you think created the Septuagint

The Holy Ghost.

from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. (2 Timothy 3:15-17)

348 posted on 10/05/2014 12:37:07 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: vladimir998

So let me get this straight. The Holly Spirit says through Paul that if someone teaches something different then they did that teacher is accursed. The Catholics can’t prove that today’s “traditions” are the same traditions the apostles were talking about. Yet they want people to join them. Why would anyone join with those who the only infallible word we know calls accursed?


349 posted on 10/05/2014 12:39:35 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: narses

Still cross threading after all those warnings. Are Catholics totally immune from learning?


350 posted on 10/05/2014 12:42:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: vladimir998

They make a big deal about the last 12 verse of Mark... Read it again and recognize that 24x7 is 168. The 25x7 is repeated everywhere, which they are correct to point out. But they do not focus on the volume of his work, but on his incorrectly stating the last 12 verses contained 25x7 word instead of 24x7.


351 posted on 10/05/2014 12:47:09 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: CynicalBear

Cross threading? This thread is about protecting Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians” - and there are many whackadoodle belief systems out there claiming to be “Bible Christians” - the very topic of this thread.

Or are you suggesting that somehow the odd beliefs I mentioned might be yours? Really?


352 posted on 10/05/2014 12:50:15 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: boatbums

Have you stopped beating your wife?


353 posted on 10/05/2014 12:50:55 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: boatbums

Were you ever taught that Mary was God or even god? Were you ever taught that she was divine? Were you ever taught that she was due worship or taught to worship her?

Simple yes or no answers, but I am betting that you will either dodge the question or try and hedge again.

This will settle the whole integrity issue for all to see.


354 posted on 10/05/2014 12:52:06 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: CynicalBear
The Catholics can’t prove that today’s “traditions” are the same traditions the apostles were talking about. Yet they want people to join them.

Jesus taught us to trust His Church.

Protestants tell us that the Bible should be the SOLE rule of faith, or the final authority in matters of Christian doctrine.

Yet the Bible does not teach this.

Jesus never teaches this.

How does Jesus recommend that we "make disciples of all the nations"?

Matthew 28:18-20

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Jesus tells his Apostles to make disciples of all the nations by baptizing and teaching.

And Jesus tells his disciples that he will always be with them.

Jesus gives His Church the Authority to teach. He identifies Himself with His Church, here, and when he asks Saul, "why are you persecuting me?

This is why Christ had harsh words for those who reject his Church. "If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."

This is why we can trust Christ's Church.

This is good news! Christ has given us a living Church.

Ironically, this is why Protestants can trust the Bible that Christ's Church wrote, preserved, and canonized.

355 posted on 10/05/2014 12:54:47 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: verga; metmom

Here you are again presuming to know what everyone thinks or believes in their heart.


356 posted on 10/05/2014 12:56:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: CynicalBear

“Why would anyone join with those who the only infallible word we know calls accursed?”

And there we see a Protestant anti-Catholic resorting to simply making things up AGAIN. Nothing in Scripture condemns the Catholic Church or the Catholic faith. For a Protestant to say so is simply to make something up.


357 posted on 10/05/2014 1:04:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: verga; metmom; SampleMan; Rides_A_Red_Horse
aren't you one of the multitude of prots that constantly harangues about the law being fulfilled in Jesus? Don't you constantly bring up "It is finished... What is finished?" Blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather.... I almost feel bad having to throw your own error back at you, almost. Please keep talking!

I don't feel badly at all throwing your errors back at you. Do you understand that when Jesus said, "It is finished.", he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world? It is because he kept the law perfectly that he can be the sinless sacrifice for our sins and HIS righteousness is imputed to us, rather than having to stand on our own (which would condemn us for eternity). However, just because Jesus paid our penalty, it doesn't mean we are released from the responsibility to live holy, God-honoring lives and do the works God has prepared for us to do - not to BE saved, but because we ARE saved. That is why we are to obey God in those things He forbids or commands - you know, those ten commandments, for example.

So, when God says DON'T DO something, we should listen to Him and obey Him if we want to live happily in His grace. If he says don't cut yourselves for the dead, like pagans do, or don't make graven images and bow down to them, like pagans do, then DON'T do it. It can't get any simpler than that.

358 posted on 10/05/2014 1:06:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
>>Jesus never teaches this.<<

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Please show the infallible scriptures we should search to see if what the Catholic Church teaches about the assumption of Mary is true.

>>"and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.<<

Please show an infallible source that shows Jesus commanded them to teach the assumption of Mary and the requirement to believe that.

>>And Jesus tells his disciples that he will always be with them.<<

All believers were promised the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to teach them.

>>This is why we can trust Christ's Church.<<

Please show an infallible source that proves the CTholic Church today teaches the same traditions taught by the apostles.

359 posted on 10/05/2014 1:09:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: RichInOC
“Bible Christians”? God bless them, I wish they were.

Micah 6:8

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

360 posted on 10/05/2014 1:12:24 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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