Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
Please show an infallible source that proves that what the Catholic Church teaches today is what the apostles referred to as tradition.
“Please show an infallible source that proves that what the Catholic Church teaches today is what the apostles referred to as tradition.”
Sure, as soon as you show me a verse that explains sola scriptura just as Protestants believe in it today.
“The epistles to Timothy leave no room for anything that was not written in the ancient Hebrew scriptures.”
You’ve just said there is “no room” for the New Testament. Thanks for displaying the logical absurdity of Protestantism.
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”, vladimir998 wrote:
Sure, as soon as you show me a verse that explains sola scriptura just as Protestants believe in it today.
P.S. Especially that odd and tiny sect or sects that condemn venerating the Cross, condemn the celebration of Christmas, Easter and Lent and declare that no organized Church represents true Christianity.
“all scripture” means all scripture known to hellenized Jews at the time.
Have you stopped beating your wife?
I don’t respond to attempts at vague irony. If you have a direct and plain question, I’ll answer.
The Septuagint was created as the necessary reading for Jews who find it easier to read in Greek. It included the Deuterocanon. St. Paul, no matter what his personal background was, chose to write in Greek as well. So did the Evangelists, and Peter, and James. Clearly, Greek was to them the language of the Church. The Deuterocanon was a part of the Christian Scripture at the time of St. Paul’s writing, and he said “all scripture” is inspired.
The Holy Ghost.
from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. (2 Timothy 3:15-17)
So let me get this straight. The Holly Spirit says through Paul that if someone teaches something different then they did that teacher is accursed. The Catholics can’t prove that today’s “traditions” are the same traditions the apostles were talking about. Yet they want people to join them. Why would anyone join with those who the only infallible word we know calls accursed?
Still cross threading after all those warnings. Are Catholics totally immune from learning?
They make a big deal about the last 12 verse of Mark... Read it again and recognize that 24x7 is 168. The 25x7 is repeated everywhere, which they are correct to point out. But they do not focus on the volume of his work, but on his incorrectly stating the last 12 verses contained 25x7 word instead of 24x7.
Cross threading? This thread is about protecting Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians” - and there are many whackadoodle belief systems out there claiming to be “Bible Christians” - the very topic of this thread.
Or are you suggesting that somehow the odd beliefs I mentioned might be yours? Really?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Were you ever taught that Mary was God or even god? Were you ever taught that she was divine? Were you ever taught that she was due worship or taught to worship her?
Simple yes or no answers, but I am betting that you will either dodge the question or try and hedge again.
This will settle the whole integrity issue for all to see.
Jesus taught us to trust His Church.
Protestants tell us that the Bible should be the SOLE rule of faith, or the final authority in matters of Christian doctrine.
Yet the Bible does not teach this.
Jesus never teaches this.
How does Jesus recommend that we "make disciples of all the nations"?
Matthew 28:18-20Jesus tells his Apostles to make disciples of all the nations by baptizing and teaching.Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
And Jesus tells his disciples that he will always be with them.
Jesus gives His Church the Authority to teach. He identifies Himself with His Church, here, and when he asks Saul, "why are you persecuting me?
This is why Christ had harsh words for those who reject his Church. "If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."
This is why we can trust Christ's Church.
This is good news! Christ has given us a living Church.
Ironically, this is why Protestants can trust the Bible that Christ's Church wrote, preserved, and canonized.
Here you are again presuming to know what everyone thinks or believes in their heart.
“Why would anyone join with those who the only infallible word we know calls accursed?”
And there we see a Protestant anti-Catholic resorting to simply making things up AGAIN. Nothing in Scripture condemns the Catholic Church or the Catholic faith. For a Protestant to say so is simply to make something up.
I don't feel badly at all throwing your errors back at you. Do you understand that when Jesus said, "It is finished.", he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world? It is because he kept the law perfectly that he can be the sinless sacrifice for our sins and HIS righteousness is imputed to us, rather than having to stand on our own (which would condemn us for eternity). However, just because Jesus paid our penalty, it doesn't mean we are released from the responsibility to live holy, God-honoring lives and do the works God has prepared for us to do - not to BE saved, but because we ARE saved. That is why we are to obey God in those things He forbids or commands - you know, those ten commandments, for example.
So, when God says DON'T DO something, we should listen to Him and obey Him if we want to live happily in His grace. If he says don't cut yourselves for the dead, like pagans do, or don't make graven images and bow down to them, like pagans do, then DON'T do it. It can't get any simpler than that.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please show the infallible scriptures we should search to see if what the Catholic Church teaches about the assumption of Mary is true.
>>"and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.<<
Please show an infallible source that shows Jesus commanded them to teach the assumption of Mary and the requirement to believe that.
>>And Jesus tells his disciples that he will always be with them.<<
All believers were promised the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to teach them.
>>This is why we can trust Christ's Church.<<
Please show an infallible source that proves the CTholic Church today teaches the same traditions taught by the apostles.
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
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