Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”

Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

[boatbums]

It's more like "Protecting God’s Word From Religions That Want to Usurp Its Authority". A few that come to mind are:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)
Seventh Day Adventists
Jehovah's Witnesses
Christian Scientists
The Unity School of Christianity
The Way International
The Church of Scientology
Unification Church
The Family (Children of God)
Christian Identity Movement
United Pentecostal Church
International Church of Christ

In reality, all those so-called Christian organizations have this one thing in common, they presume to be in authority over the sacred Scriptures rather than being in submission to God's word. Roman Catholicism is guilty of this same kind of behavior, though they hold to nearly all of the main tenets of the historical Christian faith and claim to be subject to Scripture. But, by asserting the Christian faith is like a three-legged stool with the Bible being equal in authority to "Tradition" (whatever they say it is) and the Magesterium (hierarchy of leadership) with the Bible saying what they say it does, they are no different than other false religions and cults that, in practice, do the same thing. It is ludicrous to assert Bible Christians are a danger to God's word seeing as they are truly the ones who recognize the Christian's responsibility to obey and submit to God and His sacred word and to test every doctrine BY Scripture. That IS what the early church did and they are our example of faithfulness.

[metmom]

If you ask me to pray for you, is it my body that does it or my soul?

If you ask me to pray for you, how does my soul get the message? Does it not go through my body?

Since when do humans have the ability to have direct soul to soul contact?

My communication with any other person on this planet is through the five senses of my body.

Not one person on this planet has the ability to communicate with another human being without going through that means.

We communicate with God, who is spirit, through our spirit, not because of our ability to communicate with another's soul or spirit but because of His.

[metmom]

rarh:Some Pagans traditionally cut themselves as an act of mourning. Will you copy this as well?

SM: Not forbidden, so nothing wrong with it, right?

Wrong.

Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord.

Deuteronomy 14:1-2 “You are the sons of the Lord your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.

[metmom]

The problem with purgatory is that it can’t contribute to the forgiveness of sins.

Suffering does not result in forgiveness because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

The shedding of blood is the ONLY means by which forgiveness is granted.

So at the very least, purgatory is useless, meaningless suffering.

[verga]

Yuk it up! At least you cannot pretend nobody has ever answered your questions.

For the record hedging and bearing false witness technically are answers, they just are not legitimate answers.

[verga]

It is polite to ping the person you are quoting, even if it is a secondary quote.

[verga]

Exactly! We already know the question was asked dishonestly because if we said, yes, we would be called liars or “poorly catechized”. If we answered no, we would be told, “See, we don’t, case closed!”. Some Catholics show a surprising lack of integrity and it comes out in how they speak to others.

Incorrect. It was asked to see if ex-Catholics /anti-Catholics have integrity or are capable of telling the truth.

The answer is a resounding NO!

[verga]

Wrong.

Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord.

Deuteronomy 14:1-2 “You are the sons of the Lord your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.

aren't you one of the multitude of prots that constantly harangues about the law being fulfilled in Jesus? Don't you constantly bring up "It is finished... What is finished?" Blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather....

I almost feel bad having to throw your own error back at you, almost.

Please keep talking!

[verga]

The problem with purgatory is that it can’t contribute to the forgiveness of sins.

Suffering does not result in forgiveness because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

The shedding of blood is the ONLY means by which forgiveness is granted.

So at the very least, purgatory is useless, meaningless suffering.

I am pretty sure that David suffered: 2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

2 Samuel 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

2 Samuel 12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

2 Samuel 12:16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

2 Samuel 12:17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

2 Samuel 12:18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

Please keep talking!

[CynicalBear]

What part of “unto the Lord thy God” do Catholics not understand?

[mrobisr]

You are twisting the word to meet your definitions. You said that our will has been replaced and can’t give scripture because it wasn’t. If you want to live by the Torah go ahead, but you can’t cherry pick which parts. To live by the Law of Moses is to live by works and that simply will lead to death. You also didn’t want to touch the command to sacrifice animals to stay in compliance with the Torah. So which is it are you cleansed by the blood of animals or by Christ? If you think you are sinless and obedient at all times then you are truly lost to darkness and I will dust off my feet and move on.

[metmom]

So what if David suffered?

It did not earn him forgiveness of sin.

Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

[CynicalBear]

>>No he referred to his writings as writings, that is what the Greek word scripture means.<<

Please show where the Greek word graphé is used in scripture to refer to anything other than the Holy Scriptures.

>>It was only after the Catholic Church ordered the canon that scripture came to mean the Bible.<<

And of course that was a word never before used and should fully be credited to the Catholic Church right?

Luke 4:17 and there was given over to him a roll (biblion) of Isaiah the prophet, and having unfolded the roll (biblion), he found the place where it hath been written:

Common mistake among Catholics and the illiterate.

[CynicalBear]

Those posted online are the ones Catholics use and repeat.

[CynicalBear]

>>Interestingly, I don’t believe in the vice versa.<<

So you deny when Catholics claim Mary talked to people on earth?

[CynicalBear]

>>They wanted to pray to him after death.<<

That had to be a vicious misinterpretation by the MSM.

[NKP_Vet]

The Catholic Church came before the gospels. End of subject. Move on.

[CynicalBear]

>>I do - and that’s why I am Catholic because the Catholic faith IS the Biblical position.<<

So would you please show the "Biblical" source for the assumption of Mary?

[ronnietherocket3]

"Willy nilly" is not what we are dealing with, but why would you ever doubt that some Jews could modify a pagan practice in the light of Scripture and history?

I doubt Second Temple Jews were adopting Pagan practices, particularly after the Maccabean revolt. Your quote from Acts is a quote from Jeremiah. First Temple Jews did adopt Pagan practices frequently. Concerning Kabbalah, I know very little about it. Given my exposure to certain parts of Protestantism/Messianic [non]Judaism (and to a lesser extent certain parts of Catholicism), I am not going to base my view of it on the basis of a link on the internet.





Do you really want to follow Jewish tradition and some of the nonsense in the Babylonian Talmud, at least from some of what i read?

I strongly suggest you read Talmud commentaries prior to commenting on it. Perspicuity of Talmud is a very erroneous doctrine. However, if you are going to read it, start with Pirkei Avot (Wisdom of the Fathers). For example, Avot 1:10: "Smaayah and Avtalyon received from them. Shmaayah would say: Love work, Loath mastery over others, and avoid intimacy with the government." If only our dearly beloved president would follow that.

That is simply your problem not mine. That some Jews did what is not in Scripture after a surprisingly innovative period only testifies to spiritual declension, not orthodoxy. The problem that I mentioned as second was a claim of how do I know that purgatory dates back to the Apostles? Your quote establishes that it was in Jewish thought a century before the Apostles and not an innovation of the Catholic Church.

That is simply your problem not mine. That some Jews did what is not in Scripture after a surprisingly innovative period only testifies to spiritual declension, not orthodoxy.

Given Jesus' repeated interactions with the Pharisees and Pauls' statement that he had been a disciple of Gamaliel, I would expect to be able to find them giving an unqualified put down of all Pharisaic notions. The best anyone has been able to show to date is a put down of a specific tradition or two.