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To: boatbums

“No, it wasn’t.”

Yes, it was. The OED confirms that.

“But I guess you had better scold all the Popes that have used the term in their encyclicals, declarations and “official” documents for using a “Protestant” invented expression.”

They generally use it in relation to non-Catholics.

“Example encyclicals include Divini Illius Magistri of Pope Pius XI in 1929 and, Humani generis of Pope Pius XII in 1950.”

Pope Pius XI’s Divini Illius Magistri used this term: “Sancta Ecclesia Catholica Romana”. In case you didn’t know, that’s Latin. When translated, that could just as easily be rendered as: “Holy Roman Catholic Church” or “Holy Catholic Roman Church”. It was not a definitive statement about the name of the Church. It was a statement about the qualities of the Church: Holy, Roman, Catholic, and the Church. That is not “Roman Catholic” as Protestants invented it or as they used it. And in any case it was almost 350 years after Protestants invented the term “Roman Catholic” in English so it proves exactly nothing.

In Humani Generis, Pope Pius XII used the term “Ecclesiam Catholicam Romanam” in reference to the corpus Christi mysticum et Ecclesiam Catholicam Romanam unum idemque esse where he is clearly using the term to make absolutely sure what institution he is referring to as the mystical Body of Christ being one and the same as the Catholic Church. In any case, he wasn’t using it as Protestants have used it and he was using the term in Latin, not English, and he used it 350 years after Protestants invented it.

“Pope Paul VI used the term “Roman Catholic Church” in the joint declarations he signed with Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople”

Yep. In shared declarations with NON-CATHOLIC churches the use of “Roman Catholic Church” has become standardized because so many Christians around the world have adopted the English Protestant practice of using the term. The same for recent popes.

Protestants invented the term. The term never gained any general currency in the Catholic Church until the last 50 years and is used almost exclusively when dealing with NON-CATHOLIC churches or Protestant sects.


795 posted on 09/24/2014 1:31:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; boatbums

Interesting, the Catholic denomination continues to be “hijacked” by Protestants.

The more they pick up from non Catholic sources (Protestants and other born again Christians who are not Protestant) the closer they can come to Christ and replace Him for Mary as the center of the “Church.”


796 posted on 09/24/2014 1:42:36 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: vladimir998
Protestants invented the term. The term never gained any general currency in the Catholic Church until the last 50 years and is used almost exclusively when dealing with NON-CATHOLIC churches or Protestant sects.

The term Roman Catholic appeared in the English language at the beginning of the 17th century, to differentiate specific groups of Christians in communion with the Pope from others; comparable terms in other languages already existed. It has continued to be widely used in the English language ever since, although its usage has changed over the centuries.[ "Everyone claimed to be 'catholic' and 'evangelical' and (eventually) 'reformed', but now each of these became a denominational label. The name 'Roman Catholic' conjoined the universality of the church 'over the entire world' with the specificity of 'only one single see'" ([1]) Jaroslav Pelikan, 1985, The Christian Tradition: Volume 4, Reformation of Church and Dogma (1300-1700) (Section on The Roman Catholic Particularity). University of Chicago Press ISBN 0-226-65377-3 pages 245–246]

It's been used BY Roman Catholics for hundreds of years. Why don't you just admit you don't personally like the term instead of declaring it is a derogatory invention of "Protestants"??? History doesn't back you up.

799 posted on 09/24/2014 3:38:25 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: vladimir998
In shared declarations with NON-CATHOLIC churches the use of “Roman Catholic Church” has become standardized because so many Christians around the world have adopted the English Protestant practice of using the term. The same for recent popes.

Yet another example of how PROTESTantism is controlling you Catholics.

What a HOOT!

828 posted on 09/25/2014 12:21:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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