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To: vladimir998
“Roman Catholic” is an ENGLISH expression invented by Protestants - as shown in the OED.

No, it wasn't. But I guess you had better scold all the Popes that have used the term in their encyclicals, declarations and "official" documents for using a "Protestant" invented expression.

    Popes have on several occasions in different contexts during the 20th and 21st centuries used the term "Roman Catholic Church" to refer to the whole church in communion with the Holy See. Example encyclicals include Divini Illius Magistri of Pope Pius XI in 1929 and, Humani generis of Pope Pius XII in 1950.[76]

    Pope Paul VI used the term "Roman Catholic Church" in the joint declarations he signed with Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople in 1965 and 1967.[77] He also used that term in the declarations he signed with Patriarch Mar Ignatius Yacoub III of the Syrian Orthodox Church on 27 October 1971 and with Archbishop of Canterbury Donald Coggan on 29 April 1977.

    Pope John Paul II referred to himself as "the Head of the Roman Catholic Church" (29 September 1979). He called the Church "Roman Catholic" when speaking to the Jewish community in Mainz on 17 November 1980, in a message to those celebrating the 450th anniversary of the Confessio Augustana on 25 June 1980, when speaking to the people of Mechelen, Belgium on 18 May 1985, when talking to representatives of Christian confessions in Copenhagen, Denmark on 7 June 1989, when addressing a delegation from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople on 29 June 1989, at a meeting of the Ukrainian Synod in Rome on 24 March 1980, at a prayer meeting in the Orthodox cathedral of Bialystok, Poland on 5 June 1991, when speaking to the Polish Ecumenical Council in Holy Trinity Church, Warsaw 9 June 1991, at an ecumenical meeting in the Aula Magna of the Colégio Catarinense, in Florianópolis, Brazil on 18 October 1991, and at the Angelus in São Salvador da Bahia, Brazil on 20 October 1991.

    Pope Benedict XVI called the Church "the Roman Catholic Church" at a meeting in Warsaw on 25 May 2006 and in joint declarations that he signed with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams on 23 November 2006 and with Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople on 30 November 2006.


793 posted on 09/24/2014 12:50:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

“No, it wasn’t.”

Yes, it was. The OED confirms that.

“But I guess you had better scold all the Popes that have used the term in their encyclicals, declarations and “official” documents for using a “Protestant” invented expression.”

They generally use it in relation to non-Catholics.

“Example encyclicals include Divini Illius Magistri of Pope Pius XI in 1929 and, Humani generis of Pope Pius XII in 1950.”

Pope Pius XI’s Divini Illius Magistri used this term: “Sancta Ecclesia Catholica Romana”. In case you didn’t know, that’s Latin. When translated, that could just as easily be rendered as: “Holy Roman Catholic Church” or “Holy Catholic Roman Church”. It was not a definitive statement about the name of the Church. It was a statement about the qualities of the Church: Holy, Roman, Catholic, and the Church. That is not “Roman Catholic” as Protestants invented it or as they used it. And in any case it was almost 350 years after Protestants invented the term “Roman Catholic” in English so it proves exactly nothing.

In Humani Generis, Pope Pius XII used the term “Ecclesiam Catholicam Romanam” in reference to the corpus Christi mysticum et Ecclesiam Catholicam Romanam unum idemque esse where he is clearly using the term to make absolutely sure what institution he is referring to as the mystical Body of Christ being one and the same as the Catholic Church. In any case, he wasn’t using it as Protestants have used it and he was using the term in Latin, not English, and he used it 350 years after Protestants invented it.

“Pope Paul VI used the term “Roman Catholic Church” in the joint declarations he signed with Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople”

Yep. In shared declarations with NON-CATHOLIC churches the use of “Roman Catholic Church” has become standardized because so many Christians around the world have adopted the English Protestant practice of using the term. The same for recent popes.

Protestants invented the term. The term never gained any general currency in the Catholic Church until the last 50 years and is used almost exclusively when dealing with NON-CATHOLIC churches or Protestant sects.


795 posted on 09/24/2014 1:31:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: boatbums
Ever feel like this in trying to prove something to a Catholic using facts?


800 posted on 09/24/2014 4:42:17 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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