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“Have you read The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis?”

Many, many times.

“Did you think Lewis actually overheard these demons plotting and planning and then wrote his book?”

Nope and he points out that he is using a literary device. Luther did not. And I have no reason to assume he was. You might assume it. I do not.

“Maybe instead of scarfing up and pasting all the vitriol you can find to disparage the non-Catholic Christians here, you could approach topics with a more objective eye.”

First of all, posting what Luther himself wrote cannot possibly be written off as “scarfing up and pasting all the vitriol you can find to disparage the non-Catholic Christians.” Did Luther write about his conversation with the devil to “disparage the non-Catholic Christians”? No, he did not. You say he wrote it as a literary device, but he certainly did not write it as a literary device to “disparage the non-Catholic Christians.”

“It could probably help salvage what little credibility you have remaining after this thread.”

You are not an adequate judge of the state of my credibility before or after this thread no matter how much you might wish to be. If you saw the private emails I get, you might be very surprised indeed.

If you saw the private emails I get, you might be very surprised indeed.

That last serves here best to yet again prove the saying;

One can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time.

There has been repeated opportunity for you to establish how I myself may have been wrong in my own original & central-most contentions, with it needing here be shown that I was wrong in all of them for yourself to be "right".

Each [marginal] attempt you have made to falsify most anything I have said (when not more simply fully ignoring that which is inconvenient to your contentions) has failed once I addressed that which you spoke in attempt to sweep it away by way of expression of your own opinions.

You are not an adequate judge of the state of my credibility before or after this thread no matter how much you might wish to be.

Says who?

Says you?

See the above folk saying.

You are not an adequate judge of the state of my credibility before or after this thread no matter how much you might wish to be.

Oh?

Matthew 7:15–20 (KJV):

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them."

You didn't quote Luther's work directly, neither did you post the link where you got the text. I'll wager it was from Catholic Answers, Patrick Madrid or some other hardly-objective Roman Catholic apologetic site. The reason I know that is any honest discussion of Luther's "The Mass and the Ordination of Priests", would admit that Luther NEVER implied this was an actual discussion. I repeat, some Catholics are SO gullible they will swallow and spit out whatever they can find to disparage non-Catholic Christians. Picking apart Luther is merely one such tactic as if trashing him destroys the whole reason behind the Reformation.

A poster from Catholic Answers said this:

I wonder at the idea that if they show that Martin Luther is so bad, they will then become Catholic. This is certainly a negative tactic that suggests that those pursuing this agenda really have no better arguments for Catholicism than that Luther was bad, so therefore Lutherans should become Catholic. I find this extremely unconvincing. Isn't there anything good in Catholicism? Did these Luther-bashers really become Catholic because they took a dislike to Luther? That is like preferring God to Satan because you don't like Satan - never mind what God is like. Faint praise, there.

I wonder, is this the effect FRoman Catholics imagine they will have here by attacking Martin Luther? I will advise them that they shouldn't get their hopes up. I am grateful sites like http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/ exists, because they do a great job of exposing the hypocrisy and dishonesty behind much of what polemical Roman Catholics use as weapons.