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Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level
International Business Times ^ | 09/17/2014 | Tanya Diente

Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24

Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.

Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.

"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.

The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.

Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.

The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity.  Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity. 

Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."

Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".

However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.

But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.

"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.

However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: evangelical; jesus; orthodox; protestant
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To: vladimir998
>>Actually there are no pagan rituals or beliefs in the Catholic Church.<<

"The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church." (Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, John Henry Newman)

The missionary history of the [Catholic] Church clearly shows her adaptability to all races, all continents, all nations. In her liturgy and her art, in her tradition and the forming of her doctrine, naturally enough she includes Jewish elements, but also elements that are of pagan origin. In certain respects, she has copied her organization from that of the Roman Empire, has preserved and made fruitful the philosophical intuitions of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, borrowed from both Barbarians and the Byzantine Roman Empire—but always remains herself, thoroughly digesting all elements drawn from external sources...In her laws, her ceremonies, her festivals and her devotions, she makes use of local customs after purifying them and "baptizing" them. (Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism)

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:

481 posted on 09/19/2014 5:41:58 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: thetallguy24

Interpretation of Catholic doctrine courtesy ofa business publication. Ya gotta luv it. :-)


482 posted on 09/19/2014 5:44:07 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mlizzy; CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums

What???.....

Did you not read what I posted??? What does your reply have to do with anything that was written?.. Which had nothing to do with the Eucharist.

Furthermore...you began your response by immediately explaining what else “The Church” does.

.................................................

Folks this is exactly the evidence of what is is to be fully indoctrinated/brainwashed to where ones “canned” responses flow regardless if they are understood or not, or in context...they just spew them out there.... Amazing really!


483 posted on 09/19/2014 6:04:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: mlizzy

So?


484 posted on 09/19/2014 6:07:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
Eucharistic Adoration is attended by a scant amount of believers percentage-wise.

Of course not!

It's a big waste of time!

485 posted on 09/19/2014 6:08:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
The stories of the saints can be quite fantastic, but they have all been gone over by the Catholic Church with a fine-toothed comb for years and years and years.

I guess THAT settles it then!

486 posted on 09/19/2014 6:09:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998

Choose a woman’s name and you’ll be called a woman.


487 posted on 09/19/2014 6:10:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
Do you think it was Satan who then caused the great sinner (Gemma Galgani was praying for) to ask forgiveness for his many sins?

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

488 posted on 09/19/2014 6:12:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Hmmmm, who to believe? You or Pope Benedict XVI:
"In a world where there is so much noise, so much bewilderment, there is a need for silent adoration of Jesus concealed in the Host. Be assiduous in the prayer of adoration and teach it to the faithful. It is a source of comfort and light, particularly to those who are suffering. With the Synod Assembly, therefore, I heartily recommend to the Church's pastors and to the People of God the practice of Eucharistic Adoration, both individually and in community." -Pope Benedict XVI, February 22, 2007, Sacramentum Caritatis, Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation.

489 posted on 09/19/2014 6:13:16 PM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: ronnietherocket3
A redemptrix is understood as the helper of the Redeemer.


Superman is REALLY only able to leap medium sized buildings on his own

His mom, Lara Lor-Van, gives him a boost over the TALL ONES.

490 posted on 09/19/2014 6:15:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

...”Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God”....

....Unless Rome says otherwise...They truly see Rome/Pope as ‘their authority’....such a shame, and so very sad......they serve a very small and shallow god-head of their own design and creation. The more I learn about the catholic church the darker it gets.


491 posted on 09/19/2014 6:15:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

It made sense to me; go climb a bush.


492 posted on 09/19/2014 6:17:32 PM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: caww

It’s all they have. That put their entire faith in what the CC has told them they look no further.


493 posted on 09/19/2014 6:19:28 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: vladimir998

It is, of course, much easier to shout, abuse, and howl than to attempt to relate, to explain.


494 posted on 09/19/2014 6:20:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy

The host is an idol which Catholics admit they worship.


495 posted on 09/19/2014 6:21:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: mlizzy
There are charlatans all about us. The Church, however, does the work for us, in determining whether one should be canonized.

I can save 'the church' a LOT of 'work'.

'Canonize' NO one. It is not doing a thing except wasting time.

496 posted on 09/19/2014 6:22:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
If the man who invented your religion was chatting up Satan you might want to care.

Why?

These men were following Satan's orders; but you Catholics do not 'care'.



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

497 posted on 09/19/2014 6:24:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
They can’t get away from that carnal leadership thing can they.

Oh?

They manage to hand wave the above away quite well...

498 posted on 09/19/2014 6:25:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

The original article is standard-issue drivel, whether the author was raised in the Church and educated by the Jesuits or not. And the IBT reporterette managed to turn the drivel into authentic tech-support gibberish. I don’t think anybody on this thread, on either side of the argument, would be able to understand for sure what she was trying to say without looking at the original article. She clearly couldn’t understand what she was trying to say even with the article. It really is as if Sacha Baron Cohen started writing anti-Catholic tracts as Borat.


499 posted on 09/19/2014 6:26:04 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Catholic doctrine and discipline may be walls; but they are the walls of a playground."--GKC)
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To: vladimir998
names like Luke, Robert, George, Agnes, April and literally hundreds of others.

Names...


Be sure to pick a good one...

500 posted on 09/19/2014 6:26:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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