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Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.
But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:
"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.
As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...
Our Blessed Mother pays the bills.Catholics have the BEST senses of humor............because they drink! :)
I'll drink to that! LOL
It’s more than obvious this will not end well, so let’s just part company now while we’re still friends.
Okay. Your response clears up my understanding of how the rule is applied.
I suggest that the wording of the rule be modified accordingly.
Thank you for your patience during the process of identifying the problem.
I look forward to seeing things improve.
Where is your evidence that Jesus' brothers were martyred??? What about his sisters???
...” they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands”....
Can hardly believe, even possible, that people could say such things and teach others that they should believe this!
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My two posts about the "Sanctuary" (737, 740) were in response to editor-surveyor's post where he basically said that you cannot encounter Jesus Christ in a Chapel made by human hands.
The point of both of my two posts to editor-surveyor was to show that we most certainly can encounter God in a Chapel or a Church made by human hands, and that God often makes use of many things made by human hands, including that old Mosaic "Sanctuary" mentioned in the Bible. Do you disagree with that statement? (Please remember that God Himself said that was the truth for that old Mosaic Sanctuary made by human hands, in the Bible texts I provided in my first post to editor-surveyor (Exodus 25:1-22), so if you disagree with that basic statement -- that you CAN encounter God in man-made buildings -- you are disagreeing with God.)
Do you believe God made powerful use of a cross made by human hands, or don't you?
Do you believe a person can encounter Jesus Christ inside a Chapel/Church built by human hands, or do you agree with editor-surveyor that you cannot encounter Jesus Christ inside a Chapel/Church built by human hands? Do you try to put a "CynicalBear limit" on God as to where you will permit Him to be encountered by human beings, or do you believe that God is not limited at all in that regard?
And regarding your several repeated attempts to dictate to me exactly which aspects of the posted article I should address in my own posts in this thread, are you saying it is not worthwhile in your mind to assess the credibility of the author of an article (like this "Jennifer LeClaire" who wrote the article this thread is about)? Do you mean to say that you honestly don't think that the author's credibility is a valid question to assess in advance, before you read even the first line of an article or book?
If so, then I strongly disagree with you about that too.
Mary was still alive when Stephen was stoned. Why would he see her in Heaven?
You’re throwing out the angel’s words to Mary because they’re from Luke and not Paul or John or Jude?
You talk about praying the Rosary but avoid the words Gabriel and Elizabeth spoke to Mary which are half a Hail Mary.
“The written Scripture is all we have to verify Scripture.”
The Scriptures weren’t even complete until the death of John about 100-120. The earliest attempts to write them was only about three hundred years or so later when the Church guided by the Holy Spirit decided on the 73 books of Scripture among several hundred. Even if a few Bibles were starting to be written by hand, there was no ability of most Christians to have a Bible until the invention of the printing press a thousand years later. All these souls who didn’t have a Bible to read followed the Church, not their own interpretation of Scriptures they didn’t have access to.
“Mary as ‘Mother of God’”
In Luke, Elizabeth calls her “the Mother of my Lord”. “Lord” is a clear reference to Jesus’ Divinity. If Mary is not the Mother of God, then either Christ is not God (and that is the denial of his divinity- the Arian heresy) or Mary is not his Mother (and that is the denial of his humanity - the Docetist heresy).
The early Christians were said to have believed that Paul almost had the sanctity of an angel. Almost, but not quite. You’re (and many others) just not contemplating deeply enough the implications of an angel hailing a human being and calling her “Full of Grace”. Someone can only be “Full” of Grace if there were no sin of any kind present to obstruct Grace.
Do you really think God could incarnate in the womb of a sinful creature? How would that creature not be annihilated? In the Old Testament, when those who weren’t priests touched the Ark of the Covenant, they would fall over dead, fallen, unredeemed human beings were so unworthy at that time. God is outside time and to Him all things are present. In view of the Redemption that he saw would be accomplished, He preserved His Mother from sin to provide a suitable incarnation place worthy of His Divine Son.
Two of Jesus’ final Seven words on the Cross are red herrings?
Gabriel never called Mary “Mother of God” or “Co-redemptrix” he did say that child inside her was the work of the Holy Spirit of God. We don’t know when Mary died but we do know she didn’t go wandering around doing miracles or praying for intercession for the rest of her earthly life before dying or being raised to heaven before she died; for the apostles or at least John(who took her into his house) would have written a first hand account of the disposition and final earthly acts of Mary. You have a point about Stephan since Mary may still have been alive for sometime after Christ’s return to heaven...but when Stephan was stoned there had already been a period of some many months or small number of years after Christ’s return to Heaven. For persecution by Jews against Christians had begun in earnest and we know that Christianity had already spread into Damascus and beyond when Saul(who was present at Stephan’s death) undertook a mission to go to Damascus and arrest such Christians as he could find. (That Saul/soon to be renamed Paul held such plenary powers of arrest in a Roman run province is also very remarkable and I don’t think often explored)
In the compendium of scriptures that were accepted by the church leaders some 400 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, not one of them speaks of Mary’s final Earthly and future Heavenly ministries after she is taken into John’s home. Mary is not even mentioned at all in accepted Catholic canon and Protestant canon of the Bible after Christ charges John to take care of his mother. Joseph must have died before the crucifixion. The traditions of men written 2 centuries or more, per your timeline, make all kinds of fantastic claims about Mary but nothing written by Luke, Matthew,Peter, John, or any other apostle including Paul mentions Mary by name at all after Christ’s resurrection and ascension into Heaven.(maybe there was something written down but it involved aliens /ufo’s or something and the Vatican is simply keeping it hidden... /s)
Conflations of out of context scripture and emotional appeals to sentiment(everyone must love their Mary...why she’s your momma) have all acted over the centuries to recreate Mary from the simple virgin maiden she was who accepted God’s plan for her life to this hyper stylized and idealized sinless china doll who was practically a 4th member of the God head to hear Catholics tell of it. In her reply to Elizabeth regarding the fruit of her own womb, Mary actually quotes from the song of Hannah (who would give birth to the prophet Samuel).
As for being orphaned, the Pope seems to have forgotten a very major tenant of the faith...that we are all “children of Abraham via the spirit of adoption”. If we had ever been orphans at all, it was our sin and separation from God that made us so. Yet as Christians, we are none of us orphans for God is Father of all of us. What did Christ say? That the Father can make the very stones into “sons of Abraham”? If he has the power to take stones and make them into non orphaned “sons of Abraham”, how is it that the pope can declare those of us, who don’t hold Mary in the same light as Catholics, to be as orphans?
What does scripture say?...”Behold,now we are the sons of God but it doesn’t yet appear what we shall be; but we know that when he shall appear that we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is !” If we be the Sons of God, we are made so by the death and resurrection of Jesus for the cleansing of our sins. God is our Father, on that basis and THAT BASIS ALONE, we are sons and daughters...and not orphans!
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
HMMMmmm...
I guess you ARE praying to her.
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I guess being a Catholic allows you the freedom to insult with the well-tuned ability of a school yard bully.
I thought the PROTESTANTS were the CAUSE of Islam taking over Europe?
You guys better get to work!
Maybe they're angels.
Remember the "fry Sodom" crowd?
Yes, yes and yes.
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