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To: MDLION; metmom

Gabriel never called Mary “Mother of God” or “Co-redemptrix” he did say that child inside her was the work of the Holy Spirit of God. We don’t know when Mary died but we do know she didn’t go wandering around doing miracles or praying for intercession for the rest of her earthly life before dying or being raised to heaven before she died; for the apostles or at least John(who took her into his house) would have written a first hand account of the disposition and final earthly acts of Mary. You have a point about Stephan since Mary may still have been alive for sometime after Christ’s return to heaven...but when Stephan was stoned there had already been a period of some many months or small number of years after Christ’s return to Heaven. For persecution by Jews against Christians had begun in earnest and we know that Christianity had already spread into Damascus and beyond when Saul(who was present at Stephan’s death) undertook a mission to go to Damascus and arrest such Christians as he could find. (That Saul/soon to be renamed Paul held such plenary powers of arrest in a Roman run province is also very remarkable and I don’t think often explored)

In the compendium of scriptures that were accepted by the church leaders some 400 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, not one of them speaks of Mary’s final Earthly and future Heavenly ministries after she is taken into John’s home. Mary is not even mentioned at all in accepted Catholic canon and Protestant canon of the Bible after Christ charges John to take care of his mother. Joseph must have died before the crucifixion. The traditions of men written 2 centuries or more, per your timeline, make all kinds of fantastic claims about Mary but nothing written by Luke, Matthew,Peter, John, or any other apostle including Paul mentions Mary by name at all after Christ’s resurrection and ascension into Heaven.(maybe there was something written down but it involved aliens /ufo’s or something and the Vatican is simply keeping it hidden... /s)

Conflations of out of context scripture and emotional appeals to sentiment(everyone must love their Mary...why she’s your momma) have all acted over the centuries to recreate Mary from the simple virgin maiden she was who accepted God’s plan for her life to this hyper stylized and idealized sinless china doll who was practically a 4th member of the God head to hear Catholics tell of it. In her reply to Elizabeth regarding the fruit of her own womb, Mary actually quotes from the song of Hannah (who would give birth to the prophet Samuel).

As for being orphaned, the Pope seems to have forgotten a very major tenant of the faith...that we are all “children of Abraham via the spirit of adoption”. If we had ever been orphans at all, it was our sin and separation from God that made us so. Yet as Christians, we are none of us orphans for God is Father of all of us. What did Christ say? That the Father can make the very stones into “sons of Abraham”? If he has the power to take stones and make them into non orphaned “sons of Abraham”, how is it that the pope can declare those of us, who don’t hold Mary in the same light as Catholics, to be as orphans?

What does scripture say?...”Behold,now we are the sons of God but it doesn’t yet appear what we shall be; but we know that when he shall appear that we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is !” If we be the Sons of God, we are made so by the death and resurrection of Jesus for the cleansing of our sins. God is our Father, on that basis and THAT BASIS ALONE, we are sons and daughters...and not orphans!


910 posted on 09/17/2014 2:11:13 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
Conflations of out of context scripture and emotional appeals to sentiment(everyone must love their Mary...why she’s your momma) have all acted over the centuries to recreate Mary from the simple virgin maiden she was who accepted God’s plan for her life to this hyper stylized and idealized sinless china doll who was practically a 4th member of the God head to hear Catholics tell of it.


ARRRRGH!!!


927 posted on 09/17/2014 3:38:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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“What does Scripture say?”

Most Christians didn’t have access to the Scriptures until after the invention of the printing press a few centuries ago. There have been and still are many people who can’t read. Even if they don’t belong to the Catholic Church, they follow the guidance of their church.


995 posted on 09/18/2014 1:29:06 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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