Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

[metmom]

If He took away her sin nature, then she wasn’t a sinner and didn’t need a savior.

And if He kept her from sinning, He took away her free will as well.

If He could do that for her, He could do it for the entire rest of the human race. And He didn’t.

Care to tell us why He wouldn’t have done that and spared us so much misery and suffering?

[metmom]

Oh...it’s sadly amusing to hear people who condemn non-cathothics for “sola-scritura” and in the same breath condemn them for “making things up.”

The word *hypocrisy* comes to mind.

[metmom]

And I would say to protestants turn away from sinful pride and embrace your Blessed Mother.

Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.

Jesus is the ONLY one I'll embrace.

I'll pass on the idolatry of Mary worship, thankyouverymuch.

[metmom]

In all reality, protestantism is the existential threat, not Islam. Islam just kills the body. Protestantism kills the spirit.

Congratulations on forfieting the debate.

[Elsie]

Her faith was better than Eve!

Good point; but she had a LOT more life experiences to go by.

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I agree, but you have to laud her for faith.

Indeed I DO!

But I do NOT lay all of these OTHER burdens on her like the Catholic church has decided she MUST be capable of.

[metmom]

Or will we get the, "Jesus for me, but not for thee" standard fare?

Jesus is for everyone.

Nobody ever said, "Jesus for me, but not for thee".

Turn to Him and abandon the idolatry of Mary.

[Elsie]

What about ‘lauding’ all of the persecuted Christians losing their lives as we speak for their faith?

Well... it DOES come with the territory.

We HAVE been warned!

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Matthew 10:21:23
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
"But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.

[Elsie]

Mary is the mother of the Second person of the Trinity.

The flesh part: yes.

The Spirit part: no.

[Elsie]

Jesus said that there was no one born of women who was greater than John the Baptist.

Details...

[Elsie]

He knows us before we are conceived so why can God not choose to save her at conception as opposed to after birth?

Simple.

GOD does NOT save ANYONE against their will.

We make a CHOICE to be saved.

[Elsie]

God’s Grace prevented her from sinning.

There is ZERO of ANYTHING like this found in the bible.

It is an imagined scenario.

[Elsie]

If you understood the importance of Mary, chances are you'd be busy worshiping Christ in the Catholic Church.

Almost...

If you'd been convinced of the 'importance' of Mary, chances are you've been busy worshiping Christ, adoring her and praying to saints, in the Catholic Church.

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Folks who actually read the bible BEFORE the 'church' gets hold of them usually end up with different mileage.

[Elsie]

Mary was a JEW!

The lady in those images is NOT!

[Elsie]

What a limp strawman.

[Elsie]

If Mary plays “ZERO” role in today’s world, was she wrong when she said “all generations will call me blessed (Luke 1:48).”

My food gets 'blessed' before I eat it.

The answer to your question is, of course, no.

But it has ZERO to do with the false image the 'church' was put forward about Mary.

[Elsie]

But again, what is your interpretation of Jesus calling Mary “Woman” in John 19:26 and telling John that she is his “mother” in John 19:27?

A red herring.

[metmom]

You should at the very least thank Catholics for the very scripture you love to quote from.

FOTFLOL!!!!!!

The HOLY SPIRIT gave us Scripture, not the Catholic church.

What chutzpah for Catholics to take credit for the work of God. There is no end to Catholic arrogance.

[JPX2011]

And if He kept her from sinning, He took away her free will as well.

What does it matter? Don't you believe in free choice and not free will?

Care to tell us why He wouldn’t have done that and spared us so much misery and suffering?

No. But I bet you got an answer on why God didn't spare us from misery and suffering

[CynicalBear]

>>the protestant who adopts the language of paganism<<

Um, it's Catholics who incorporate paganism by their own admission.

If the candles which were formerly distributed at the Saturnalia are now identified with the feast of the Purification of our Lady? What, I ask, is there so surprising if holy bishops have allowed certain customs firmly rooted among pagan peoples, and so tenaciously adhered to by them that even after their conversion to Christianity they could not be induced to surrender them, to be transferred to the worship of the true God?" (Baronius, "Annales", ad ann. 58, n. 77). (as cited in Thurston, Herbert. "Lights." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 9. Nihil Obstat.October 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, Censor. Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910.21 Dec. 2009 )

We know that God said not to.

9 When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God shall give thee, beware lest thou have a mind to imitate the abominations of those nations...12 For the Lord abhorreth all these things, and for these abominations he will destroy them at thy coming. (Deuteronomy 18:9,12, DOT)

Evidently Catholics don't care what God said.

[CynicalBear]

>>Christ honors His Mother.<<

Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!