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Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.
But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:
"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.
As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...
What about ‘lauding’ all of the persecuted Christians losing their lives as we speak for their faith?
I do that as well. I do not create a false dichotomy between lauding the persecuted church and Mary for her faith. We pray each day according to Hebrews 13 for our persecuted brothers/sisters in Christ.
I think its important to clarify a few things that need to be clarified.
>>>She is not the mother of God the Father. Saying so is to put her before the foundation of the world.<<<
Mary is the mother of the Second person of the Trinity.
We believe that in the Trinity, when one is speaking about a person in the trinity, one is also speaking about God. Such that Jesus is God, He is the Second person of the Trinity, He is God from God, only begotten of the Father.
Motherhood does not imply the source or origin in begetting something. It therefore does not imply that Mary (who is the Mother of God) is the pre-existent origin of the second person.
>>>Mary is eternal, but as a human she had a start, bound by time, space, and humanity. <<<
Mary is the Mother of Jesus foreordained in the eternal plan of salvation by God to be the suitable Mother of God. In as much as she has a relationship with God she is the greatest of God’s creatures. She does not preexist with God before the foundation of the world.
But in the very act of creation, God intended to be born into this world through Mary, because he intended to save mankind by assuming all humanity.
>>>God the father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternal. She was the vessel that God the father used to bring forth his Son into the world.<<<<
This statement is correct. Like every temple she is Holy, and set apart by God to share humanity with Christ through her cooperation with God’s plan.
Its good to hear that you are not offended.
Yes it is intellectually stimulating.
I myself have to study every day the importance of Christ in everything, I find it a discovery to the ultimate answer to every series of questions.
Amen! :-)
The argument that *Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God therefore Mary is the mother of God*, leads to the following conclusions using the same (for lack of a better term) *logic*:
If Mary is the mother of God and the Father is God, then Mary is the mother of God the Father.
If Mary is the mother of God and the Holy Spirit is God, then Mary is the mother of God the Holy Spirit.
That puts Mary above the Godhead, makes Mary deity, makes her the mother of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, making them created, finite beings with beginning.
It totally messes up all kinds of theology.
Do Catholics EVER think through what they have been spoon fed for their entire lives, cause it sure doesn't look that way with the arguments they use.
I'll stick with agreeing with the Holy Spirit in what He inspired in Scripture: *Mary, the mother of Jesus*.
That way, I KNOW I can't be wrong.
The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
It is not disrespectful to the genuine Mary for me to say I will worship nobody but Jesus. I would imagine the genuine Mary would be deeply offended at the pagan worship directed towards her.
That's got to be some kind of heresy that Catholics have a label for.
That then, makes the second person of the Trinity a created being. That says that the second person of the Trinity is not eternal and that Mary gave him is divine nature.
It makes him not God, because GOD has no mother.
The Incarnation of the second person of the Trinity did.
In as much as she has a relationship with God she is the greatest of God’s creatures.
No, she's not. Jesus said that there was no one born of women who was greater than John the Baptist. The Catholic church teaching otherwise, that Mary is the greatest, it teaching error as it directly contradicts Scripture, the very words of Jesus that so many Catholics esteem more highly than anything else found in the Bible.
Additionally, anyone who is born again by the Holy Spirit has a relationship with God. It's not just Mary. His grace, the same word as the angel used in his greeting to Mary, is poured out on ALL those who believe, who are born again. She's no more special than any other human being whom God has saved because God is not a respecter of persons.
She does not preexist with God before the foundation of the world.
If she gave birth to God, she does. And saying that she's the mother of God says that.
Will your pagan goddess smite us?
Seriously, if you truly have Christ you don’t need anything else.
:)
My beliefs exactly!
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”
“Why would a NON-’sinner’ need to be saved?”
I’ve always wondered why it is so hard for non-Catholics to see that she was saved by God. He took away her sin before she was born. He knows us before we are conceived so why can God not choose to save her at conception as opposed to after birth? No one said that Mary didn’t need a savior. God’s Grace prevented her from sinning. He saved her.
I would imagine the genuine Mary would be deeply offended at the pagan worship directed towards her.If you understood the importance of Mary, chances are you'd be busy worshiping Christ in the Catholic Church.
That's ridiculous.
She herself said she needed a savior.
That means she knew she was a sinner, something that she would not be if she had no sin nature.
Besides, she had a human father, hence a sin nature. God could not have taken away her sin nature and had her still be fully human to the point that Jesus shared in our humanity through her.
If it indeed happened as the RCC, then she never sinned and in that case, never needed a savior.
And if God could do it and did do it for her, why not the rest of mankind?
It would have saved the world a lot of grief.
God’s Grace prevented her from sinning. He saved her.
Then she had no free will
Their focus is always on man. They claim that it,s through Mary that their salvation comes. She gets the credit for bringing Christ into the world rather than God.
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