Herd? No way.
Posted on 09/09/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by Pelham
It is a common, even clichéd saying that the American Civil War pitted "brother against brother." Certainly, the conflict divided the nation as the seceded Southern states fought for independence, while the Northern and Border states fought to preserve the Union. Even within the sections, there were politicians, civilians, and soldiers who sympathized with the other "side." The issues of Slavery, "States-Rights," and the meaning of the Federal Constitution created passions and hatreds, which leapt from the ballot box to the battlefield. Even churches— especially churches— were prone to this division. Each section, denomination, and parishioner believed God to be on their side.
The sectional conflict of the 1860s over slavery and union collided with other heated socio-political struggles of the 19th century. America's pastoral Protestant society, so praised by Alexis de Tocqueville, with its patchwork of Yankee Pilgrims, Anglican planters, and Scotch-Presbyterian yeomanry was becoming more urban, immigrant-filled, and Catholic. Southern and Border states had already assimilated a small gentry of French and English Catholics but would not see drastic ethnic and religious change. Instead, the newcomer Catholics from Germany and Ireland chose to settle in the port cities and factory towns of the northeast and Midwest. They spoke with foreign accents, crammed tenements, performed manual labor, and backed big city political machines. Indeed an entire political faction arose to counter the influx of refugees from the Irish potato famine and German political revolutions of the 1840s. They were officially known as the American Party but were famously nicknamed Know Nothings for their secretive ways. They campaigned, among other things, to close saloons, limit Catholic immigration, restrict political office to Protestants, and require a 21-year wait for citizenship. The Know Nothing movement exploded in popularity during the 1850s as its candidates captured the mayoral elections of Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia,
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I can find my own threads to read, you don’t need to create your own involuntary ping lists.
Why ping someone who’s not a Catholic. I don’t make that mistake. They’ll weigh in anyway.
Interesting article. The situation of Catholics at the time of the Civil War was particularly complicated for many reasons - historical, socio-economic, and religious. One thing the article does explain is the historical connection between the Democrat Party, which always went around looking for vulnerable immigrants (and still does) and Irish Catholics.
However, the Church was here long before the Potato Famine, and Catholics fought in and aided the Revolution, even though there were serious restrictions on them and they weren’t even allowed to participate in politics or run for office.
LOL! If they hate the Church that much, why are they so fascinated by it? Ne'er a Catholic post goes by without attacks from the piranha pool.
Another ping to a post that doesn’t involve me.
“If they hate the Church that much, why are they so fascinated by it”?
Good question. Maybe one of the haters will answer it.
It ain’t a caucus thread. And I’m not Catholic, nor even Christian, but am always interested just the same.
Rather like yourself and King James Bible threads, isn’t it? A moth to a flame, you are, lol. As are many others, and factually challenged.
Yes, but that’s because you’re nice and simply interested. I like some Protestant threads because there are some Protestant writers I like.
It’s horrible, insufferable really, how that ping forced you to involuntarily respond.
Wow, what is up with you that you feel the need to jump in with a personal insult?
I’m at a disadvantage, not knowing what twisted agenda is at play here on this thread.
There are still a few Catholics (not many, since the Catholic establishment isn't fond of Southerners) who thump this "Catholicism is the Southern religion!" line because the slave states were feudal and semi-aristocratic and because Pius IX supported them. Of course, let those same Southerners being courted insist on remaining true to the historical truth of all of Genesis and their Catholic "friends" very soon turn on them with the same anti-Southern slurs the Northern liberals use.
I never heard that Catholics sympathized with the south. Never in all my born years if you’re talking about the Civil War era. Perhaps you’re mistaking the Copperheads of NYC for some Catholic cabal.
I happen to like and enjoy the south and it’s history but it most certainly is not a Catholic thing. Now we’re blaming Catholics for slavery? Blacks blame Jews, Protestants blame Catholics...sheesh, it never ends.
LOL!
Oh Lordy, ansel12, I was just rib-tickling you. Nobody is required to respond to a ping, nobody needs to feel insulted they were pinged, and nobody could reasonably be intimidated by a ping. I get a dozen unsolicited pings a day, and it would never occur to me that some "twisted agenda" might be at play.
Not at all.
(Rubbing hands together.) BWA-Ha-ha-hahahahahaha!
This doesn't pass the "name one" test.
You sure seem terribly concerned about something that doesn’t involve you, it’s almost like a herd thing on this thread.
I bet you do get lots of pings to join religion discussions, I think you are one of the herd types here that spends most of her time on religion.
Herd? No way.
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