Posted on 09/03/2014 6:36:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
A little six-year-old Protestant boy had often heard his Catholic companions reciting the prayer “Hail Mary.” He liked it so much that he copied it, memorized it and would recite it every day. “Look, Mommy, what a beautiful prayer,” he said to his mother one day.
“Never again say it,” answered the mother. “It is a superstitious prayer of Catholics who adore idols and think Mary a goddess. After all, she is a woman like any other. Come on, take this Bible and read it. It contains everything that we are bound to do and have to do.” From that day on the little boy discontinued his daily “Hail Mary” and gave himself more time to reading the Bible instead. One day, while reading the Gospel, he came across the passage about the Annunciation of the Angel to Our Lady. Full of joy, the little boy ran to his mother and said: “Mommy, I have found the ‘Hail Mary’ in the Bible which says: ‘Hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women.’ Why do you call it a superstitious prayer?”
On another occasion he found that beautiful Salutation of St. Elizabeth to the Virgin Mary and the wonderful canticle MAGNIFICAT in which Mary foretold that “the generations would call her blessed.” He said no more about it to his mother but started to recite the “Hail Mary” every day as before. He felt pleasure in addressing those charming words to the Mother of Jesus, our Savior.
When he was fourteen, he one day heard a discussion on Our Lady among the members of his family. Every one said that Mary was a common woman like any other woman. The boy, after listening to their erroneous reasoning could not bear it any longer, and full of indignation, he interrupted them, saying:
“Mary is not like any other children of Adam, stained with sin. No! The Angel called her FULL OF GRACE AND BLESSED AMONGST WOMEN. Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ and consequently Mother of God. There is no higher dignity to which a creature can be raised. The Gospel says that the generations will proclaim her blessed and you are trying to despise her and look down on her. Your spirit is not the spirit of the Gospel or of the Bible which you proclaim to be the foundation of the Christian religion.”
So deep was the impression which the boy’s talk had made that his mother many times cried out sorrowfully: “Oh my God! I fear that this son of mine will one day join the Catholic religion, the religion of Popes!” And indeed, not very long afterwards, having made a serious study of both Protestantism and Catholicism, the boy found the latter to be the only true religion and embraced it and became one of its most ardent apostles.
Some time after his conversion, he met his married sister who rebuked him and said indignantly: “You little know how much I love my children. Should any one of them desire to become a Catholic, I would sooner pierce his heart with a dagger than allow him to embrace the religion of the Popes!”
Her anger and temper were as furious as those of St. Paul before his conversion. However, she would change her ways, just as St. Paul did on his way to Damascus. It so happened that one of her sons fell dangerously ill and the doctors gave up hope of recovery. Her brother then approached her and spoke to her affectionately, saying: “My dear sister, you naturally wish to have your child cured. Very well, then, do what I ask you to do. Follow me, let us pray one ‘Hail Mary’ and promise God that, if your son recovers his health, you would seriously study the Catholic doctrine, and should you come to the conclusion that Catholicism is the only true religion, you would embrace it no matter what the sacrifices may be.”
His sister was somewhat reluctant at the beginning, but as she wished for her son’s recovery, she accepted her brother’s proposal and recited the “Hail Mary” together with him. The next day her son was completely cured. The mother fulfilled her promise and she studied the Catholic doctrine. After long preparation she received Baptism together with her whole family, thanking her brother for being an apostle to her.
The story was related during a sermon given by the Rev. Fr. Tuckwell. “Brethren,” he went on and said, “the boy who became a Catholic and converted his sister to Catholicism dedicated his whole life to the service of God. He is the priest who is speaking to you now! What I am I owe to Our Lady. You, too, my dear brethren, be entirely dedicated also to Our Lady and never let a day pass without saying the beautiful prayer, ‘Hail Mary’, and your Rosary. Ask her to enlighten the minds of Protestants who are separated from the true Church of Christ founded on the Rock (Peter) and ‘against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail.’”
It’s right there in the CCC.
So is this:
839 “Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.”325 (856; 63; 147)
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 “the first to hear the Word of God.”327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”;328 “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”329
Last time I checked the Jews don't believe in the Triune God either. Would you say they worship a different God than Christians?
Catholic Church. (2000). Catechism of the Catholic Church (2nd Ed., pp. 222–223). Washington, DC: United States Catholic Conference.
Your patience amazes me! Good example of the ‘church militant’!
Nice try at avoiding the issue, but it's YOUR church and YOUR CCC that states that y'all and muzzies adore the same God.
No matter how you try to slice it, or rather INTERPRET it, it says what it says.
Y'all are stuck with it.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.."330
So the questions then become.
Are you obligated to believe it because it's in the CCC?
If you are obligated to believe it, do you?
Or do you disagree with it and run counter to the official teaching and position of the Catholic church?
Then where does that leave you? In schism?
I don't think it's me that is practicing avoidance. Why can't you answer the question? Clearly that is the conclusion of the logic you bring forth.
This is what happens when the modern protestant's view of Islam is solely informed by 9/11. Like I said earlier, adolescent bluster.
As an aside, what's with all the possessive pronouns? If it's all my Church and my CCC then what is your concern? You left, did you not?
Then why do Catholics comment on non-Catholic issues and churches?
The number of hit pieces on Protestantism posted by Catholics causes one to wonder why you don’t ask THEM the same questions?
I’m not avoiding anything. My church did not make blanket statements about adoring the same God together with the muzzies and make it official doctrine.
I also notice that you did not answer the questions about a Catholic’s obligation to adhere to the official positions and teachings of the Catholic church.
“My church did not make blanket statements about adoring the same God together with the muzzies and make it official doctrine.”
What Church is that?
Sources and links?
Is that an official teaching of the Catholic church as well or your own opinion?
BTW, the Trinity can be found in the OT.
Right here in the Catholic church's very own catechism of the Catholic church.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day. "330
I wouldn't want to admit to belonging to a church with so little spiritual discernment that it claims to adore, together with the muslims who want to kill them, the same God.
Since we do know that the muzzies do not worship the God of the Bible, then we can safely presume that the Catholic church does not either, since in its very own words, it states as a fact, that they adore together with the muslims, the same god.
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,... ‘in the first place’ amongst whom are the Muslims;... these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day..”330
Looks like the integration and assimilation with Islam has begun for the catholic church....play on satan's doorstep and with certainty you shall indeed get burned!
The problem is the catholic leadership "believes" they are the ones leading this "inclusion toward the Muslim population when in fact they are being lead by another.
Islam states clearly and publically any who are not muslim are their enemy... Why is it so hard for catholics to understand who our enemy is? ....The Muslim Military uses it's own citizens to protect their military, what do catholics think they will use them for?
... When catholics don't want to know who the enemy's of God's people are, when they don't want to know Islam's psychology...how do they ever think they could defeat them when the time comes and they see Islam as it really is.... IF they ever do?
As the author of "Unveiling Islam" and other writings.....who himself spent 30 yrs. studying Islam and living in Muslims countries, himself a former Muslim, "IQ Al Rassooli" states:
..."There is no such thing as moderate Muslims. The Koran forbids Muslims from being moderate and considers any who claim to be moderate as "unbelievers..and subject to death and destruction"...... He further states...: "Calling Islam a religion and or Peaceful are two of the most egregious lies that have ever been insinuated into the human conscious."
Geert Wilder stated in his video: "Islam should never be compared to any other religion...Islam is not a religion it is a 'totalitarian political ideology' that seeks to rule every aspect of the society it infiltrates, and every part of a persons life!.... Therefore Islam should be compared with other totalitarian ideologies like Fascism and Communism.
He further stated...."all the rights to Religious Freedom do NOT apply to Islam and society needs to stop pretending Islam is a religion.
I don't know. We are not some monolithic bloc. We're individuals with distinct charisms. For myself I only comment when the spirit moves me to do so. But I would say that non-Catholic issues/churches are inherently Catholic since their purpose of existence is to be in opposition to the Catholic Church. Ultimately there is no Protestantism without the Church.
I’m not avoiding anything. My church did not make blanket statements about adoring the same God together with the muzzies and make it official doctrine
With all due respect that is because your church is not empowered with the authority to make any doctrinal pronouncements. So it's probably for the better that they do not.
I also notice that you did not answer the questions about a Catholic’s obligation to adhere to the official positions and teachings of the Catholic church.
You answer my question about whether Jews worship the same God and I'll be happy to talk at length about the Catholic obligation to give religious assent, assent of faith to ordinary and universal magisterial teaching, etc. You don't get something for nothing.
Is that to say that Jews believe in Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity? Or perhaps the Jews, like Muslims, believe in the monotheistic Creator, the God of Abraham, and just do not possess the full revelation of God's nature? Have the Jews been retarded in their ability to see the Truth of the Trinity even though it is present in the OT?
It took me surprise the first time as I didn’t expect anyone from Free Republic to actually be against the freedoms of others to enjoy the fruit of their own labor. It sounded like something Obama and his liberal friends might say in their “class warfare” kind of mind set. After the fifth or sixth time - I lost track - I see it as a desperate attempt to try to discount the truth of what we say by diversion. It’s kinda pathetic, really.
....”we do know that the muzzies do not worship the God of the Bible, then we can safely presume that the Catholic church does not either, since in its very own words, it states as a fact, that they adore together with the muslims, the same god”.....
What catholics don’t see is the same Stealth Jihad taking over in government offices throughout the world...is the same Stealth Jihad entering and slithering into the churches.
This could not be happening if people really knew God’s word....not as it’s delivered to them.... but as they read, study, and understand by His Spirit guiding them... who He promised would teach us.
....”But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that “I” said to you.” (John 14:26)
“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.” (John 16:13)
When the ‘academic minds’ of Jesus’ day came to their conclusion about who He was, their pronouncement was that He was from the devil (Matthew 12:24)..... They totally ‘ignored’ the hundreds of prophecies from their own Scriptures that Jesus fulfilled.... Since the world didn’t recognize the first Comforter, Jesus, for who He was, you can’t expect it to recognize the second One, who is exactly like the first.
So Jesus told His disciples that when the Holy Spirit came, ‘the world would not accept the message any more than it did from Him’..... And He was right.
I can always tell when certain people arrive with their silly remarks...that we’re making a strong point... that he who holds them in his grip of lies is going to fight to keep them there.
“My church did not make blanket statements about adoring the same God together with the muzzies and make it official doctrine.”
What Church is that?
I read my Robert Spencer. I know all about it. The Catholic Church been battling Islam for over a thousand years. The johnny come lately's of the protestant reformation looking at jihad through the prism of 9/11 aren't telling us anything we don't already know.
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