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To: JPX2011; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Gamecock; ...
Last time I checked the Jews don't believe in the Triune God either. Would you say they worship a different God than Christians?

Nice try at avoiding the issue, but it's YOUR church and YOUR CCC that states that y'all and muzzies adore the same God.

No matter how you try to slice it, or rather INTERPRET it, it says what it says.

Y'all are stuck with it.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.."330

So the questions then become.

Are you obligated to believe it because it's in the CCC?

If you are obligated to believe it, do you?

Or do you disagree with it and run counter to the official teaching and position of the Catholic church?

Then where does that leave you? In schism?

723 posted on 09/07/2014 7:35:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Nice try at avoiding the issue, but it's YOUR church and YOUR CCC that states that y'all and muzzies adore the same God.

I don't think it's me that is practicing avoidance. Why can't you answer the question? Clearly that is the conclusion of the logic you bring forth.

This is what happens when the modern protestant's view of Islam is solely informed by 9/11. Like I said earlier, adolescent bluster.

As an aside, what's with all the possessive pronouns? If it's all my Church and my CCC then what is your concern? You left, did you not?

724 posted on 09/07/2014 7:55:50 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: metmom

727 posted on 09/07/2014 8:02:53 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: metmom
...” The (catholic) Church's relationship with the Muslims.

“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,... ‘in the first place’ amongst whom are the Muslims;... these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day..”330

Looks like the integration and assimilation with Islam has begun for the catholic church....play on satan's doorstep and with certainty you shall indeed get burned!

The problem is the catholic leadership "believes" they are the ones leading this "inclusion toward the Muslim population when in fact they are being lead by another.

Islam states clearly and publically any who are not muslim are their enemy... Why is it so hard for catholics to understand who our enemy is? ....The Muslim Military uses it's own citizens to protect their military, what do catholics think they will use them for?

... When catholics don't want to know who the enemy's of God's people are, when they don't want to know Islam's psychology...how do they ever think they could defeat them when the time comes and they see Islam as it really is.... IF they ever do?

As the author of "Unveiling Islam" and other writings.....who himself spent 30 yrs. studying Islam and living in Muslims countries, himself a former Muslim, "IQ Al Rassooli" states:

..."There is no such thing as moderate Muslims. The Koran forbids Muslims from being moderate and considers any who claim to be moderate as "unbelievers..and subject to death and destruction"...... He further states...: "Calling Islam a religion and or Peaceful are two of the most egregious lies that have ever been insinuated into the human conscious."

Geert Wilder stated in his video: "Islam should never be compared to any other religion...Islam is not a religion it is a 'totalitarian political ideology' that seeks to rule every aspect of the society it infiltrates, and every part of a persons life!.... Therefore Islam should be compared with other totalitarian ideologies like Fascism and Communism.

He further stated...."all the rights to Religious Freedom do NOT apply to Islam and society needs to stop pretending Islam is a religion.

730 posted on 09/07/2014 8:14:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Well no it doesn't...Here's the plan of salvation:

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9)

"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10:10)

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (John 1:12)

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Lots of people acknowledge the Creator but they will not be included in the plan of salvation...Only those who accept Jesus as their Savior...

That eliminates all muzlims...

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

In the first place are the muzlims??? Ahead of Protestants and others who accept Jesus and partake of the plan of salvation???

That is some real nutso stuff right there...Completely unbiblical...

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

That's over the top right there...It will be Jesus who will judge you on the last day...The one merciful God is a Trinity...A Gentile can not worship God without acknowledging Jesus and the Holy Spirit...

But then perhaps Catholics do worship that 'unknown' God that their brother muzlims worship...

749 posted on 09/07/2014 11:46:28 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom

It looks to me like they are doubling down on agreeing that they indeed serve the same god. That in itself is scary stuff.


771 posted on 09/08/2014 5:34:55 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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