Posted on 08/19/2014 7:33:43 PM PDT by markomalley
There is a great deal of confusion in the Church today as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God as do we. In fact many prelates, including our own Cardinal McCarrick, either are honestly confused about the matter or they exploit general confusion so that they may appear to be "ecumenical". Indeed, nine years ago at Catholic University His Eminence addressed some Muslim dignitaries; in that address he invoked "allah" three times but he gave not one mention to Jesus Christ. That address, which can be called de facto idolatry, is here.
Cardinal McCarrick and other devotees of ecumenicide often cite Lumen Gentium and the Catechism as their authorities. They are misreading those church documents. A few weeks ago Dr. Taylor Marshall posted an article that addressed this question. I link to it now; it's worth careful study. He points out that the Church documents state that the Muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham, and profess to hold faith in Him.
It's one thing to profess to worship God. It can be quite another to worship God in fact. Here's an example of this occurrence. We've all heard Nancy Pelosi's protestations of being a "good faithful Catholic". This is the same Pelosi who went on a rampage when her bishop upheld traditional marriage. This is the same Pelosi who was honored at Planned Parenthood's gala in March and said that" to be associated with the great Margaret Sanger is a distinct privilege" (she may well "enjoy that privilege" for all eternity if she doesn't repent, but I digress). She also believes Hamas to be a "humanitarian organization". So Pelosi may think she's a great Catholic, but reality indicates otherwise. Similarly, Muslims think they worship the God of Abraham but their actions indicate otherwise. The more vociferous Muslims state that we don't worship the same deity (more than we can say for Cardinal McCarrick); they just don't accept that they are the ones worshiping a false idol - if not actual demons.
Below is a video of Muslim jihadists burying alive opponents. This action (among so many others) is evidence that these monsters do NOT worship the One True God. Parents - you may wish to keep your small children from seeing this.
Muslims worship our devil, Satan. Just with a name change.... Simple as that.
Before becoming an apparent PC Muzzie ass-kisser, the good Cardinal was at least at one time a Catholic priest, and should therefore be acquainted with the Ten Commandments...
When I was in the first grade at Immaculate Conception, Sister Mary Consuela taught us the First Commandment was: “I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.”
“Allah” is the name of the pagan Arabian moon god, and NOT of Our Lord...Muslims worship this false god when they’re not busy mutilating and murdering Christians, Jews or each other...
Looks like the Cardinal needs some remedial instruction in the basics of his Catholic faith, after a trip to the confessional and an appropriate penance for his violation of the commandment...
by their fruits ye shall know them,,,,
Allah instructs his followers to murder believers in the one true Biblical God. And, his followers are busy killing every Christian and Jew they can get their murderous hands on..
Allah is not God.
Too bad the author left out this part from Vatican II:
“and together with us they [the Muslims] adore the one, merciful God”.
Let the explanations on what Vatican II “really” meant commence.....
Yes, all of these prelates are confused and misreading church documents. Maybe the other option is that all of these Modernist prelates know exactly what was meant by these Modernist Church documents (given they are the so-called authorities in the Church) and are only acting them out.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
Above the door to the Islamic Dome of the Rock are these words: “God has no son”. That’s not the God I pray to.
In the 7th Century, Mecca was a thriving commercial hub, as it was at a desert crossroad.
Merchants and caravans from all over the place converged on that city, and the city was happy to accommodate all the various religions that passed through their area by providing a small temple in the center of town that contained over 300 idols. It was a squat, ugly little cube of a building, but its diversity and inclusion helped fill the coffers of the city.
Mohammed, who was an admitted thief, came back to Mecca after his “revelation” in the cave wherein he had been hiding (from justice, one would assume), and the first thing he did was destroy all the idols in the public temple (called the Kaaba) except the sacred meteorite and the idol of Allat, the Goddess of the Moon and Warfare. Moon gods are nearly always female, because both the Moon and the Human Female both have a 28 day cycle. Ancient Cultures were quick to notice the coincidence and usually assigned the Moon to a female deity. Allat allegedly had two daughters, who are still mentioned in Islamic legend, but Mohammed insisted that there was only ONE god, who’s name was Allah.
Contrary to a lot of modern speculation, the name “Allah” doesn’t come from the Arabic name for “God” (”Al”, similar to “El” in Hebrew), but from the female goddess of the Moon. This is evidenced by the ubiquitous symbol of the crescent Moon that appears on top of every minaret and Muslim flag. Mohammed allegedly remodeled the Kaaba, and subsequent rulers built the Grand Mosque around it. The city of Mecca is forbidden to Non-Muslims to this very day. One wonders that if a Non-Muslim enters that city, and sees all the nonsense first hand, they will be instantly disabused of the notion that Allah is the same entity as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
All through the Bible, a “Moon Goddess” is the rival to The God Of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. She appears as Astarte, Cybele, Isis, and Artemis. In the Book of Acts, Paul is attacked by Artisans who make their living producing statues of “Diana of the Ephesians”, another moon goddess.
I do not have a seminary education, and, although I am in ministry, I am not ordained. Why was it so easy for me, a High School graduate, to get this information, and yet it seems so difficult for Educated, Lofty, Ordained, and Powerful Religious and Political Leaders to figure this out?
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
It's right there in the catechism. I'm guessing the blog authors of "Restore DC Catholicism" have their own personal interpretation of it.
And isn’t there also something that says if they disagree with Vatican II that they can’t be Catholic?
Yes, the bloggers are asserting that it is completely in line with Catholic Tradition. Hogwash. There are numerous quotes from saints and popes that make it VERY clear that Islam is a diabolical religion. A diabolical religion can not “adore” the same God no matter which so-called meaning of adore is used.
This is just an example of more post-Vatican II mental gymnastics. The same sort of stuff you see when Vatican II Catholics try to explain away Francis’ words and actions.
Your Catholic bible, the catechism claims your official position is that your religion teaches and believes that you guys and muzlims worship the same God...
I have no reason to question your Magisterial on what it claims it believes...All I know is you guys then, do not worship the same God that Christians worship...
There’s no need to pretend that your religion does not teach and believe that...We have it in writing...
Your current and recent popes are slowly eliminating any confusion there may have been in the matter...Old mysteries being revealed...
Muslims are in no way worshipping the same God.
I might agree, but the Catechism doesn't. As posted earlier on the thread:
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."Note that the Catechism says that Muslims "adore" God. What does "adore" mean? To clear things up vis a vie the language used in Catechism, Cardinal Antonio Bacci states that adoration is the worship of God:
....The worship of the Saints is an act of veneration (dulia), not of adoration (latria), which can be given only to God. It is wrong to imagine, as many Protestants do, that by praying to and venerating the Saints we subtract something from the homage we owe to God. The veneration of the Saints and the adoration of God are entirely distinct activities. Moreover, the Saints are the faithful servants of God and intercede with Him on our behalf. By venerating and invoking them, we honour the Giver of all holiness. If anyone, on the other hand, were to disregard the worship of God in favour of devotion to the Saints, he would be making a serious mistake. A person who goes into a church and rushes over to a statue of the Blessed Virgin or of one of the Saints, without giving a thought to the living and real presence of Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist, is developing a false and sentimental piety.And the Catholic Dictionary New Advent agrees with the Cardinal, in their definition of "dulia"
...a theological term signifying the honour paid to the saints, while latria means worship given to God alone, and hyperdulia the veneration offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary....A further distinction is made between dulia in the absolute sense, the honour paid to persons, and dulia in the relative sense, the honour paid to inanimate objects, such as images and relics.
No, it goes on to explain what “adore” supposedly means in this circumstance. I can’t roll my eyes hard enough.
Above the door to the Islamic Dome of the Rock are these words: “God has no son”.
Houston: we have a problem.
For the BIBLE says:
‘All things were made by him [the Word, in Greek ὁ λόgos, = Jesus Christ]’ (John 1:1,3)
‘For by him [Jesus Christ] were all things created’ (Colossians 1:16).
latria = hyperdulia = dulia = hair splitting semantics
And while he explains that muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham, the Catholic church in its catechism states that they and the muslims DO worship the same God.
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