Posted on 08/18/2014 12:59:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
John and Hebrews have no validity. The Hebrew Scriptures do.
Isaiah 43:11, 45:5, 46:9. Numbers 23:19. 1 Samuel 15:29. Hosea 11:9. Job 9:32.
#7 is techically’mis-written. should be can’t commit evil. Jesus was tempted. He was tempted with various sin/evil in the desert and throughout his whole life like regular people are tempted.
logical impossibilities are not an indication of God’s limitations.
we are not privy to exactly how restricted and ‘encapsulated’ satan is if He appears before God to condemn the believers.
He could override humans’ free will. He will not do that though. He will sometimes directly intervene against someone’s free will.
again, logical impossibilities do not show God is somehow deficient or can’t do something.
it was a test. success didn’t require actually killing him.
Apparently he freely comes and goes.
Job\\6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[b] also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
Where is the part where the Bible says Jesus worried about sin.
Where is the part that says Jesus worried about sin?
I know in the Gospels where Jesus was tempted by Satan, but I know He did not sin. He did not find temptation temping, so to speak. Read backthread on my comments.
This POWERSBOOTHEFAN FReeper is trying to show me where in the Bible Jesus is not God, and I want to see where He finds support for that. Especially concerning my statement earlier in the thread where he began this discussion. So far, left field or thereabouts, I guess.
Then you have to believe that the Bible was lying when saying He was tempted by the tempter, which make little to no sense. He didn't sin, of course; but if He wasn't tempted, then how could He be a man?
I see now what your mission is, and I cannot condemn you for it. You do not believe Jesus is Messiah. And you do not recognize the Trinity.
If a Christian denounces his Christianity, it was never there, so if you convince a “Christian” to convert to Judaism he/she was probably just not yet a Christian. However, many “Jews” become Christians, and from the perspective you have given me of yourself, you have a heart for the Lord, and search the scriptures for truth.
It is my opinion that you are yet blind to the truth, but if you continue your quest with a loving heart for the Lord, you will become a Christian.
At least in English, the verb “to tempt” has limitations. I am not the world’s keenest wordsmith, but as best as I can put it is; Satan tempted (Satan’s action) Jesus, but Jesus was not tempted (Jesus’ reaction). Or at least He was not successfully tempted.
Jesus walked on this earth as a man and experienced all the temptations of most men, and the added temptation to abuse supernatural power. Yet He did not sin, setting an example in the Gospels, quoting scripture to repel the tempter’s invitation. We are given the same opportunity He used to escape/flee/resist sin.
**He cannot become a man.**
True. BUT...
God is IN a man,....with all of his fulness. God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto himself. IN Christ dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. That’s how the Son of God achieves the titles bestowed upon him in Is. 9:6, and in chapter 1 of Hebrews.
Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. NO man hath seen God at any time. God is displaying his unlimited power and attributes TO man by being IN a man. Which is what the Christ spends a great deal of time explaining in the gospel of John; that the Father IN him is the source of EVERY divine attribute that the Son displays. Jn chap. 14 lays this out very plainly.
God the Father is a Spirit. Jesus Christ declares that to be so (Jn 4:23,24), and told his disciples that “..a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” Lk 24:39.
He further states that the Father is the only true God. Jn 17:1-3
He tells Mary Magdalene, “..I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and to your God”. Jn 20:17
Jesus Christ is the ‘beginning of the creation of God’. Rev. 3:14
A stumbling block of the ‘three God’ folks is this: Neither Jesus Christ or his apostles EVER defined the Son as ‘God the Son’; but always as ‘the Son of God’.
ALSO,..Those that believe that the flesh of the Son...is God... are are using their carnal logic to declare that Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, is also the mother of God. In so doing they defy the Christ’s own description of God.
I wish I had more time for this, but am very busy and need rest. I drive a semi-truck, and must not fall asleep at the wheel.
**My statements are based on the Tanach and what G-d said about Himself.**
Then how do you explain Isaiah 9:6?
It’s obvious that the invisible God does choose to dwell in a man that he brought forth, and place ALL power IN that man.
read it again. he freely comes and goes on the EARTH. when he is called to present himself in front of God, he submits and comes.
I find all this superfluous simply because God IS.
That’s all we need to know.
:)
I’ve thought sometimes that God might show us all the “what ifs” when we get to heaven. He knew all things before He even created the first thing and He also is able to “make all things work together for good” for those who love Him and are called according to His purposes. I think it would be amazing to be able to look back on our lives and see the way the path would go had we chosen differently than we did. I have no Scriptural reference for this, but I know that nothing is impossible for God.
Perhaps a different perspective:
1) God can make a donkey speak
2) God can flood the entire earth
3) God can become man
4) God can make iron float
5) God can change water to wine
6) God can send darkness for three days
7) God can cause oil to pour continuously out of one jar
8) God can raise the dead
9) God can cause a people to walk between water while He drowns another
10) God can confuse our tongues
11) God can descend into hell
12) God can give superhuman strength
13) God can make a withered hand whole
14) God can put flesh on old bones
15) God can sustain us in a wilderness for forty years
16) God can make rocks cry out
If God wanted to make a square circle, He can do it.
RE: My statements are based on the Tanach and what G-d said about Himself.
Give us a quotation and what book and we’ll see if the exegesis is correct...
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