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1 posted on 08/12/2014 2:30:01 AM PDT by markomalley
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Msgr Pope ping


2 posted on 08/12/2014 2:30:43 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
Imagine how lost and infuriated many of us moderns would be in a world where time was not of the essence, it was on the periphery.

Mexicans would fit right in. (I say this not as a criticism, but simply observing a distinction.)

4 posted on 08/12/2014 3:00:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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The day for the ancient Jews began at sundown. …
Not just ancient Jews; many modern Jews also.

Remember Genesis 1:14, among other things, with respect to telling time?
9 posted on 08/12/2014 3:21:52 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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So when Methusala lived a 1,000 years......he was only 52?


10 posted on 08/12/2014 3:35:37 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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Thank you for posting this. It is fascinating. And very true, as anyone who has spent time in the ME can attest to.


11 posted on 08/12/2014 3:43:08 AM PDT by EC1
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Ping!


12 posted on 08/12/2014 3:43:42 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: markomalley
Fascinating article. It's amazing how much less important precision was in measuring time back then. The scientific and cultural roots of measuring time always fascinated me.

It's also interesting to note that time zones are a construct of the modern world because they weren't needed until the last 120 years or so. All time was "local time" before then. Since most people never traveled more than a few miles from where they lived, they were perfectly content to measure time based on the sun or the local church bells.

13 posted on 08/12/2014 3:59:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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“The Jewish people generally speaking waited until the error of the lunar calendar amounted to about a whole month and then inserted an extra month called Veadar, between the months of a Adar and Nisan. A year with this extra month amounted to almost 400 days instead of the usual 354 days of the Jewish lunar calendars.”

Veadar means “and Adar” which can also be called Adar Sheni or “Second Adar” plus Adar Rishon or “First Adar” for the normal 12th Adar on the calendar. When there are two Adars they can also be called Adar Aleph (Adar 1) and Adar Bet (Adar 2).


16 posted on 08/12/2014 5:04:15 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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University of Washington sundial.
More about it here.

Sundials in Seattle.
Seattle as sundial capital of North America
17 posted on 08/12/2014 5:11:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Thank you for posting this Msgr Pope column. I consider his series on “life in the time of Jesus” to be quite informative.


18 posted on 08/12/2014 5:12:18 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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They forgot to mention this passage from the Torah.

Exodus 11:4

“And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt”

And later...

Exodus 12:29
“At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.”


19 posted on 08/12/2014 5:16:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Our Heavenly Father gave us His timekeeping with the sun, moon and stars..

And the world is run off the sun only calendars today.. not unlike the ancient sun worshippers- nothing new under the sun.

Jews and muslims will break out the moon for calculations through the year at times convenient.

The stars get ignored in the timekeeping.

And the world major religions each get a pope gregory appointed sun based sabbath day in the counterfeit greco roman latin week.

Time has been counterfeited..and there is one master counterfeiter..


21 posted on 08/12/2014 5:25:45 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: markomalley
Other places added an extra month from time to time.


23 posted on 08/12/2014 5:30:53 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: markomalley

My Bible, Ps 136: 8-9


26 posted on 08/12/2014 7:02:54 AM PDT by rusureitflies?
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A couple of related observations from this interesting article.

The fact that the Arabs and the Jews both use Lunar reckoned calendars but the Arabic / Islamic calendar makes no adjustments to the astronomical year. This means that their important dates and religious festivals cycle throughout the common astronomical year. My informed guess is that this is the difference between an agricultural people (Jews) and a sub-Equitorial nomadic herding culture (Arabs) where intra-year changes (day lengths and seasonal variations) were minimal.

As for close time measurements common in our modern world, that necessity got its big boost from oceanic navigation in the European late Middle Ages. When most commerce was conducted by land travel and coastal shipping, accurate time measuring was an option. Once the “Age of Exploration” came to Europe, the need for time measurement grew in importance. While magnetic compasses, speed measurements and latitude following were well known tools of ocean navigation, only time measurement could resolve the ‘Y’ coordinate of travel on the trackless seas. Read Dava Sobel’s excellent book “Longitude” for the story of the successful development of an accurate non-pendulum clock needed for time-keeping at sea. From there to our modern GPS and telecommunication systems is a logical path that our star-following ancestors would marvel at just as we marvel at their abilities for that skill!


27 posted on 08/12/2014 7:18:14 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: markomalley

From The Iliad:

Now when Dawn in robe of saffron was hastening from the streams of Oceanus, to bring light to mortals and immortals, Thetis reached the ships with the armor that the god had given her.
—Iliad xix.1

But soon as early Dawn appeared, the rosy-fingered, then gathered the folk about the pyre of glorious Hector.
—Iliad xxiv.776

Homer mentions the rosy-fingered dawn many times, obviously not a late sleeper like us later clock obsessed idiots.


28 posted on 08/12/2014 7:41:44 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SOUL BROTHER! This house is not armed! (Signs people thought would protect them in the 1960s))
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Frankly there were any number of different calendars used in Palestine at the time.

Frankly, there was no "Palestine" yet; the Romans named the land Palestina after the conclusion of the second Jewish-Roman war circa 138. Why call the land after the Philistines instead of its proper biblical names ("land of Israel" etc.) unless one is a Philistine ?

Jesus called it Israel, which should be good enough for any of his disciples. 23But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord.

36 posted on 08/12/2014 2:31:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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Imagine having your birthday in Veadar?

Bummer.


37 posted on 08/12/2014 3:55:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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