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Real History Of The Crusades,The
Catholic Culture ^ | Thomas F. Madden

Posted on 08/09/2014 1:09:08 PM PDT by EBH

As a Crusade historian, I found the tranquil solitude of the ivory tower shattered by journalists, editors, and talk-show hosts on tight deadlines eager to get the real scoop. What were the Crusades?, they asked. When were they? Just how insensitive was President George W. Bush for using the word "crusade" in his remarks? With a few of my callers I had the distinct impression that they already knew the answers to their questions, or at least thought they did. What they really wanted was an expert to say it all back to them. For example, I was frequently asked to comment on the fact that the Islamic world has a just grievance against the West. Doesn't the present violence, they persisted, have its roots in the Crusades' brutal and unprovoked attacks against a sophisticated and tolerant Muslim world? In other words, aren't the Crusades really to blame?...

...Misconceptions about the Crusades are all too common. The Crusades are generally portrayed as a series of holy wars against Islam led by power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics. They are supposed to have been the epitome of self-righteousness and intolerance, a black stain on the history of the Catholic Church in particular and Western civilization in general. A breed of proto-imperialists, the Crusaders introduced Western aggression to the peaceful Middle East and then deformed the enlightened Muslim culture, leaving it in ruins...

..So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already by said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression — an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicculture.org ...


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To: allendale

Actually, no it was not. It was when Islamic armies began conquering Christian communities, impressing women into sexual slavery, and forcing the conquered people to convert or die.

What we see ISIS doing right now is the same activity which ignited the crusades.

This is well documented in archeology and in both western andMuslim histories. Academia didn’t begin trying to push the Christian agressor revisionism until the nineteen seventies, and the scholarship backing the revision has been pretty much the same as the congruent attempt to paint the Aztec and Incan empires as pacifist utopias.


21 posted on 08/09/2014 3:45:33 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

Read the story of one Charles Martel.


22 posted on 08/09/2014 3:55:25 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: EBH

Never mind “where is the likes of Charles Martel”.

I’d much rather see the likes of Vlad the Impaler.


23 posted on 08/09/2014 4:06:02 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: MaxMax

Correct me if I am wrong, (and I am humble enough to concede that there is a possibility that I am a complete retard), but was it not Charles Martel (”The Hammer” to all you proto-WWF fans), who defeated the Muslim invasion at Tours (in France) in 732. Where was the Christina invasion of Muslim lands in the eighth century? Or the ninth? or the tenth? There weren’t any. Muslims started this war thirteen hundred years ago, and we are still blaming ourselves for some unknown reason.


24 posted on 08/09/2014 4:06:12 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek
Maybe Christina invaded Muslim lands, but Christians didn't. ;^)
25 posted on 08/09/2014 4:08:31 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek

Sure seems that way.


26 posted on 08/09/2014 4:09:17 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: Fiji Hill

That’s Emicho of Leiningen - Rhineland. They must have had an automatic spellcheck.


27 posted on 08/09/2014 4:10:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (So to speak!)
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To: fhayek
Islam was invented "Yes Invented" by the Warlord Mohammad in 622, ten years
before his Death.


Look at all those people in Iraq walking to their deaths, WILLFULLY walking
to lose their heads. Don't even bother asking why. I have no idea what's in
the minds of these people. Do they think they'll be spared after watching all
the other Thousands die in front of them? Are they that ignorant?, Yes, Hell yes they are!

And those damn pussies are also here in America, they are in every round corner of this planet
walking around in a haze waiting for someone else to save them. To hell with them all.

I'm sick and tired of Sheeple willingly going to their slaughter without one single
revolt until they're stuck on top of a mountain yelling for somebody else to come save
their dumb-asses.

Crude? You're damn right I'm being crude and crass about this. Someone needs to tell Sheeple
to STFU and grab a damn gun, and defend yourselves because you're going to die if you don't.

If this crap ever comes to America there will certainly be people willing to walk
to their slaughter, but we have something else, Freedom. And we will fight
until the last bullet, then grab a knife and keep going.

Yes, I'm beyond pissed off at the stupidity of the people on this planet. They've become
cowards and squishy in their heads and under their skin. Cowards deserve what they get.

Get the cowards out of the way and all that will be left are the true enemy.
Fighting PC wars is pure AROGANCE of our leaders. It's a damn farce.

Kill the enemy where they live, stand, who the hell cares. Kill them all, lay waste to their
brothers and sisters and their children too. It's the only way, the only way to fight a War.
Kill them all and let God sort them out, but not doing so will lead to this, Misery
of the masses. Pure misery and our own Death. Suicide by Cowardice.

Rid this planet of Islam once and for all. Set the example for the next 1000years.

28 posted on 08/09/2014 4:36:45 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: capt. norm
Am I the only one who remembers "Crusader Rabbit"

Oh, heck no. Crusader Rabbit and Rags the Tiger were the top bananas in my house, revered just a little less than Hopalong Cassidy (until he kissed a girl in one of his films. Then he got demoted).

Crusader, FYI, can still be seen in all his glory on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crusader+rabbit

29 posted on 08/09/2014 4:52:50 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: MaxMax

How very non-PC. I LOVE it. Compare our culture to ‘theirs’ Then ask yourself, are you prepared to defend yours? To me, there is no question here. But, not to everyone, I am afraid. I guarantee, after the invaders triumph, millions of people will regret their decision not to fight back.


30 posted on 08/09/2014 4:54:40 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: jmacusa

.....And a devil worshiper to boot!


31 posted on 08/09/2014 5:28:40 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: MaxMax

Good news is that more Americans are ARMED to the teeth.


32 posted on 08/09/2014 5:30:52 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: MaxMax

Could it be because they want to die as martyrs?


33 posted on 08/09/2014 5:32:22 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Jacquerie

Stock up on guns.


34 posted on 08/09/2014 5:38:15 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: EBH

Thank-you for the excellent report.


35 posted on 08/09/2014 5:38:50 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: EBH
The Crusades were a counter-attack against Muslim invasions of Christian lands.

Consider how General Eisenhower characterized the Allied rollback of the Nazis in his book:


36 posted on 08/09/2014 5:47:40 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Bidimus1

I am aware.
Today’s Academia needs to be subjected to more mockery.


37 posted on 08/09/2014 5:56:21 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: fhayek

I would say that the reason was Saudi funded revisionism that became lucratively in vogue at Western Universities starting in the nineteen seventies.


38 posted on 08/09/2014 5:58:56 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Biggirl
Could it be because they want to die as martyrs?

No. I've come to the conclusion that the Sheeple want to be coddled and saved
and told what to do. They capitulate to their captors and their Captors cut
their heads off. Then the next in line does the same capitulation and
receives the same as the first. Sheeple, Stupid Sheeple. If I fight it will not
be to save their sorry asses, it will be to save those who also fight.

39 posted on 08/09/2014 6:02:01 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: EBH
Real History Of The Crusades,The

Pope Urban II and the First Crusade
Catholic Word of the Day: FOURTH CRUSADE, 05-25-12
Four Myths about the Crusades
The Real History of the Crusades
Crusade Pictures from a 1963 National Geographic Magazine (Vanity)
An Interview with Professor Thomas Madden: Dispelling Myths About the Crusades
Excerpt from Hilaire Belloc's "The Crusades"
The Crusades: The truth makes a difference
Crusades versus Jihad
The Battle over the Crusades: Myths, legends and anti-Catholic "histories"

40 posted on 08/09/2014 6:02:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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