Posted on 08/05/2014 7:44:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
When Julie Rodgers came out as a lesbian at age 17, her mom responded by taking her to an ex-gay ministry in Dallas. Rodgers had grown up in a nondenominational evangelical church where she assumed being gay wasnt an option.
With ex-gay ministries, it gave me the space to be honest about my sexuality, said Rodgers, now 28. Yet that same honesty eventually led her away from ex-gay ministries.
Rodgers spent several years in Exodus, the now-defunct ex-gay ministry, before deciding she couldnt become straight after trying to date men. Instead, she has chosen celibacy.
When Exodus shut down in 2013, some said it spelled the end of ex-gay ministries that encourage reparative or conversion therapy for gays to become straight. Ex-gay groups such as Restored Hope Network stepped in to the gap, but many religious leaders are now encouraging those with same-sex orientation or attraction to consider a life of celibacy.
For years, those who were gay or struggled with homosexuality felt like they had few good options: leave their faith, ignore their sexuality or try to change. But as groups like Exodus have become increasingly unpopular, Rodgers is among those who embrace a different model: celibate gay Christians, who seek to be true to both their sexuality and their faith.
Straddling one of Americas deepest cultural divides, Vanessa Vitiello Urquhart wrote in a recent piece for Slate that celibate gay Christians present a challenge to the tolerance of both their churches and the secular LGBT community. Those celibate gay Christians often find themselves trying to translate one side for the other.
But frequently, neither side really understands what its hearing.
We can be easily misunderstood, to put it nicely, by both sides of the culture war, Rodgers said. For those who have a more affirming position, its as if were repressed, self-hated homophobes, encouraging the church to stand in its position on sexuality. And conservative Christians think that those who shift on sexuality are being rebellious.
Moving from ex-gay
Christians shift away from ex-gay therapy came amid larger cultural changes, including a wider societal acceptance of homosexuality and a rapid embrace of same-sex civil marriage.
In 2009, the American Psychological Association adopted a resolution that mental health professionals should avoid telling clients that they can change their sexual orientation. Since then, California and New Jersey have passed laws banning conversion therapy for minors, and several other states have considered similar measures.
Earlier this year, the 50,000-member American Association of Christian Counselors amended its code of ethics to eliminate the promotion of reparative therapy, and encouraged celibacy instead.
Counselors acknowledge the clients fundamental right to self-determination and further understand that deeply held religious values and beliefs may conflict with same-sex attraction and/or behavior, resulting in anxiety, depression, stress, and inner turmoil, the revised code says.
A number of leaders of the ex-gay movement have renounced the very teachings they once embraced. John Paulk, who was once a poster boy for the ex-gay movement, apologized in 2013 for the reparative therapy he used to promote. Yvette Schneider, who formerly worked for groups such as the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America and Exodus, recently published a coming out interview with GLAAD calling for bans on reparative therapy. Last week, nine former ex-gay leaders denounced conversion therapy.
Mark Yarhouse, a Regent University psychology professor who has done research on ex-gay Christians, is just now beginning to study celibate gay Christians. Evangelicals are so enamored with marriage, its been hard for them to value singleness and celibacy, he said.
Some Christians left ex-gay ministries and eventually began to embrace a position thats more affirming of gays and lesbians. Josh Wolff, a gay 2009 graduate of Biola Universitys Rosemead School of Psychology who is now a licensed clinical psychologist, said he went to reparative therapy for nearly two years before fully embracing his sexuality.
Ive seen a real shift away from some of the language (that) you need to go to counseling, you can experience healing that can make you straight, Wolff said. When Exodus came forward and said Were sorry for some of the harm that weve done, I think it was a wake-up call to many members of faith communities that for the vast majority of people, these treatments dont work.
Rediscovering celibacy
Celibacy is a better trend for Christians than conversion therapy was, said Alan Chambers, who led Exodus before shuttering it last year.
Celibacy is an age-old concept, so I think its a great option for a lot of people. People have been so afraid of it, said Chambers, who has been married to his wife for 16 years. The only option before it was to stay completely silent or adopt this ex-gay mentality.
Some evangelicals mine Catholicisms centuries-old tradition of celibacy, said Wesley Hill, a professor of New Testament at Trinity School for Ministry, who wrote Washed and Waiting, a 2010 book on being gay and celibate.
They already have a rich history of celibacy that I had to discover as an evangelical, Hill said. Twenty years ago, being gay would be considered irredeemably bad, something to be delivered from or be changed. (Celibacy) leads me to form close bonds with friends, to have self-denial and sacrifice.
Eve Tushnet, a 35-year-old whose book Gay and Catholic comes out in October, is fast emerging as a significant voice on sexuality and Catholic teaching.
I felt like theres a lot of things I dont understand, but I can do my wrestling and doubting from within the church, she said.
Tushnet grew up somewhere between agnosticism and Judaism, and when she became a Catholic in 1998, she didnt know of other openly gay Christians who were following the churchs teaching on sexuality.
Because marriage, the standard American solution to the problem of the human heart, is typically unavailable to gay Christians, weve had to confront loneliness earlier and more publicly than many of our peers, she wrote in The American Conservative.
In a 2013 study in the journal Symbolic Interaction, Hollins University sociologist S.J. Creek found that celibate gay Christians tend to prioritize their sexuality differently than others might, unwilling to compromise their Christianity.
For some like Tushnet, the loneliness of celibacy has been tempered by communities such as Spiritual Friendship, a blog for celibate gay Christians. Hill co-founded the blog with Ron Belgau, who grew up Baptist and converted to Catholicism at 24. Belgau said celibacy was one of the things that attracted him to the Catholic Church.
The ex-gay message was appealing because the problem was solved and we didnt need to talk about it, said Belgau, who spent some time in the Catholic Churchs Courage ministry that encourages celibacy for gays and lesbians.
If you realize that a lot of people will have an ongoing attraction to same-sex and can be kept secret, you have to deal with as a church how were going to talk about this. With the ex-gay message, we can farm this out and continue with our nuclear family model.
Naming and claiming
The mere presence of self-identifying celibate gay Christians requires other Christians to wrestle with theological challenges, says Matthew Vines, author of God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships. Vines doesnt promote sex outside of marriage but believes gay Christians can make a theological case for same-sex marriage.
Its a subtle but significant shift, said Vines, who is openly gay, of celibate gay Christians. Theyre saying, Theres nothing wrong with being gay in and of itself, and that is a big change.
In fact, thats the teaching of major religious traditions, including the Roman Catholic Church, the United Methodist Church and even the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons). Homosexuality only becomes sinful when a person chooses to act on it.
Moody Bible Institute professor Christopher Yuan has been countering progressive messages like Vines with a more traditional message of celibacy for those who, like him, are attracted to the same sex. In his book review of Vines book for Christianity Today, however, Yuan, too, took a harsh look at conversion therapy.
Sanctification is not getting rid of our temptations, but pursuing holiness in the midst of them, Yuan wrote. If our goal is making people straight, then we are practicing a false gospel.
Some Christians are less eager to use the term gay. After Grady Smiths widely shared article for the Gospel Coalition about coming out as a Christian while he worked for Entertainment Weekly, he also wrote a post about coming out as gay to other Christians. In an email, he said he regretted identifying as a gay Christian because of how it might define him as a person.
I knew it was writerly and provocative and expressed attractions Ive felt, and I hoped it was bridge-building, he wrote. But it in no way describes the life I am living and I think most people interpret gay to mean the cultural box of the gay, sexually expressed lifestyle.
Some pastors, like John Piper, a respected Minneapolis preacher and author, still encourage the possibility of change for those who have same-sex attractions. And some Christians are debating over whether identifying as gay or having a same-sex orientation is itself unbiblical.
My conclusion is that if sexual orientation is ones enduring pattern of sexual attraction, then the Bible teaches both same-sex behavior and same-sex orientation to be sinful, Denny Burk, a biblical studies professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, wrote in a blog post for the Southern Baptist Conventions Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.
Rosaria Butterfield, a former lesbian who rejects the ex-gay label and the movement behind it, disputes Burks interpretation of sexual orientation. The Bible doesnt speak against attraction, said Butterfield, a mother of four whose conversion story went viral after it was published in Christianity Today. It speaks against attraction that becomes lust.
While she affirms celibate gay Christians, she says they should not use gay as a descriptive adjective.
The job of the adjective is to change the noun, said Butterfield, who will speak at the Southern Baptist conventions Ethics & Religious Liberty Commissions fall conference on sexuality. Our sexuality exists on a continuum, but our Christianity does not.
Semantics.
Use whatever word you want for having a weakness for the particular sin of committing sodomy.
I certainly don’t have that weakness, and never have.
And, for the record, I wouldn’t be a liar, a thief, or a covetous adulterer.
(But I would have killed more than a few.)
Celibacy is anathema to the homosexual “community.” Their lives revolve around sexual anarchy, and celibacy is a reproach to this world view.
I cannot imagine any person not having an inclination to sin in one way or another. I cannot imagine that there is anyone who does not think about, and being tempted by, sin from time to time. I see BEING gay as just like that.
I am in BIG trouble if it is sin to WANT to have physical contact with attractive women, even if I resist. I don’t believe it is sin.
Extremely well said.
The key isn’t turning from homosexuality to heterosexuality, it’s turning from homosexuality to holiness. Same-sex attraction is a temptation; acting upon it is sinful and an abomination to God. I applaud those dealing with this who’ve chosen to live a life following Christ-—as long as they don’t speak out of both sides of their mouth. It’s one thing to remain celibate, it’s quite another to remain celibate yet express pro-homosexual propaganda.
Actually, it does. Romans 1:26.
RE: Same-sex attraction is a temptation; acting upon it is sinful and an abomination to God.
Well, so can opposite-sex attraction leading to sex outside the bounds of marriage... just saying.
But that seems to be OK with lots of people.
Their behavior is exactly correct.
But that is not all that is involved. We know that the life of the mind also comes into play. To flirt with private lusts, even though not acted out, is just as wicked.
Additionally, affirming others who do choose to act out their homosexual proclivities is equally as damnable.
Thank God for such a Saviour to wash away our sins - so that we are no longer walking in sin.
This young lady is to be commended. As other posters noted, she acknowledges her propensity for a certain type of sin - but she knows it is offensive (and abominable) to God, and I'm sure through prayer and the work of the Holy Spirit - she is able to overcome, and to no longer walk in sin (1John 3:6a Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not ...).
"Courage," the Catholic spiritual support group for people with same-sex attraction, has always focused on discipleship and celibacy, with a big emphasis on spiritual friendship. I don't believe they ever took a stand for or against "reparative therapy," it just that therapy wasn't their focus, discipleship was (and is).
The idea is that a SSA person can't annihilate his unwilled sexual feelings, anymore than a person tempted to adultery can annihilate his unwilled (opposite-sex) feelings.
The first thing is: "Seek first the Kingdom of God and is righteousness"--- and all the rest will fall into place through God's providence, And the second thing is, don't let this same-sex temptation (or any temptation) drive you into sinful thoughts, words and deeds; lead a good --- even an intensely good --- Catholic life as a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, and (a big emphasis for Courage) cultivate godly friendship with fellow disciples of Our Lord.
I think this is very sound, and I would like to shout it from the rooftops.
Everyone is tempted towards sexual sin. Even married people.
We have to decide if we are going to act on our temptations or live on the side of our better angel.
These celibate individuals have decided on the better angel. God bless them.
It’s not necessary. In fact, I have never in my life asked anybody what they do, or want to do, with their genitals.
It's anathema to the heterosexual "community" too, for the most part. And not only the "gotta have it" secular worldlings. There are a fair number of Christian FReepers who are deeply shocked and distressed at the concept of accepting a calling to lifelong celibacy.
And we should never forget Romans 2:1, and Romans 3:23-24.
No doubt. But they all spring from the same root of the anti-God "sexual revolution" of the 60's. So this isn't surprising.
There are a fair number of Christian FReepers who are deeply shocked and distressed at the concept of accepting a calling to lifelong celibacy.
Then it needs to be seriously evaluated whether these self-describe "Christians" really are.
PROVERBS 18:21: The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.
JAMES 3:6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of ones life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.
“But that is not all that is involved. We know that the life of the mind also comes into play. To flirt with private lusts, even though not acted out, is just as wicked.”
So, where, exactly does she say say sins-of-the-mind are OK?
“Additionally, affirming others who do choose to act out their homosexual proclivities is equally as damnable.”
Given that she teaches that sodomy is against the God’s law, how, exactly, is she is “affirming others who do choose to act out their homosexual proclivities.”
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Seriously, I swear Freepers would have stone the heck out of that harlot, punched Jesus in the face for having long hair and being a Jew.
It’s “go and sin no more.”
It’s not “never have sinned, ever.”
I wish I was as perfect as most Freepers.
Then I wouldn’t need Christ.
As it is, I am an imperfect sinner, who does his best with Christ’s help and am slowly getting better.
“Actually, I dont think the Bible says anything about women sleeping together. “
Actually, yes it does.
Romans 1:26 (NIV)
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
That is very true: neither a person who actively engages lustful fantasies, nor one who affirms sodomitic behavior, can be called chaste, for these too are intentional cooperation with sin.
But a distinction mus be made between unwilled, spontaneous lustful thoughts (temptations) and willful fantasies (interior sins.) The first must be resisted, because otherwise you're surrendering to sin; the second is simply sin in itself: dwelling on sinful thoughts is sinful.
A wise old priest once told me, "Sinful thoughts are like birds. If one perches on your shoulder, shoo it off instantly but don't freak out about it. Above all, don't let it make a nest in your hair."
Also a distinction must be made between affirming persons who may be sinners (and all of us are sinners), versus affirming SINS. To affirm SIN is to be a collaborator in the Enemy's work.
Loving sinners is cooperating in GOD'S work, since He came to save sinners.
“There are a fair number of Christian FReepers who are deeply shocked and distressed at the concept of accepting a calling to lifelong celibacy.”
If you really want to see heads explode, find the articles that argue (with marginal persuasiveness*) that Paul was celibate because he had unnatural desires (his “thorn”) and celibacy was God’s method for dealing with his sin and weakness — a weakness he turned into strength by putting his full focus on the Gospel.
* Note, I think such articles are reaching and not particularly persuasive.
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