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To: ealgeone
Chief of the Apostles....again...no biblical support for such a title. That same argument could be made for Paul or James and maybe even John.

Make the case for another if you believe so. Gainsaying is not much of a case. There is biblical support for a chief among the Apostles, a first among equals as it were, different from the Gentile view of rulership. And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So Peter just starts making stuff up??

Do you also think Jesus just starts making stuff up because he said and did things that were not shared with you in the Scriptures ? Do you trust him and those to whom he delegated authority over you ?

207 posted on 07/26/2014 7:28:00 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
>Chief of the Apostles....again...no biblical support for such a title. That same argument could be made for Paul or James and maybe even John.<

Make the case for another if you believe so. Gainsaying is not much of a case. There is biblical support for a chief among the Apostles, a first among equals as it were, different from the Gentile view of rulership.

Was Peter a leader in the group? Yes he was. But we also have evidence James was as well. I think Paul's leadership goes without speaking.

Peter was a leader, but not in the RCC view of a leader. The "keys of the kingdom of Heaven" the RCC claims that gives Peter the ultimate authority, and ultimately the papacy, was what?

What is the key to gaining entrance into Heaven?

Belief in Christ.

What did Peter preach in Acts 2:38-39 when the people asked what must we do to be saved?

The Gospel. That's the key. He preached it to the Jews first. Then Paul to the Gentiles.

How was he able to "forgive sins" or "retain sins"? By sharing with people that your sins are forgiven if you believe in Christ. How are sins retained? By rejecting Christ.

He proclaimed this in Acts 3:19. "Repent therefore and return, that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord."

Was Peter the only one who preached the Gospel? No. Acts 8:4 tells us those scattered about went preaching the word. So this "authority" claimed by the RCC isn't just limited to Peter. Nor did he pass his "authority" to Paul nor anyone else.

Were there others who came after the Apostles? Sure there were. We also have others who were preaching the Word when the Apostles were alive as just noted in Acts 8:4.

But to assume that all authority has come from Peter and can only be found in the pope and the RCC is not biblical if one simply reads the text in their proper context.

Again...context is the key to interpreting the Bible correctly.

215 posted on 07/26/2014 7:54:53 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: af_vet_1981
Do you also think Jesus just starts making stuff up because he said and did things that were not shared with you in the Scriptures ? Do you trust him and those to whom he delegated authority over you ?

No. Jesus doesn't make stuff up. The RCC however does.

I am glad you recognize we do not have everything Jesus ever said or did recorded. As John notes the whole world wouldn't be able to contain them.

I believe in Him and Him alone as the Bible tells us that is the only way to have eternal life.

I follow the Biblical instructions regarding honor to "whom honor is due".

I also follow the Biblical instruction to test every spirit.

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

I have tested the teachings of the RCC and find many that are false prophets that have gone out into the world.

217 posted on 07/26/2014 8:13:59 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: af_vet_1981
Do you also think Jesus just starts making stuff up because he said and did things that were not shared with you in the Scriptures ?

HE has YOU guys to do that!




Hail Mary; pray for us...


250 posted on 07/27/2014 4:16:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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