[af_vet_1981]

You gave me your opinion that I was wrong, posted a bunch of what I suppose is Scripture, but since there were no references nobody unfamiliar with Scripture would know that, and and considered it what?

you, at least, you have your soul imprinted so you know; the scripture does not derive its power from chapter and verse. Those who are without need to hear the words themselves, the seed as it were, and do what they will.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee

[metmom]

Again......

OK, so you don’t think all those verses support the security of the believer.

Then perhaps you could enlighten us as to why *sealed* doesn’t really mean *sealed* and why *guarantee* doesn’t really mean *guarantee*.

[Elsie]

you, at least, you have your soul imprinted so you know; the scripture does not derive its power from chapter and verse.

Another Catholic invention...