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To: af_vet_1981

You gave me your opinion that I was wrong, posted a bunch of what I suppose is Scripture, but since there were no references nobody unfamiliar with Scripture would know that, and and considered it what?

That you somehow made a point?

OK, so you don’t think all those verses support the security of the believer.

Then perhaps you could enlighten us as to why *sealed* doesn’t really mean *sealed* and why *guarantee* doesn’t really mean *guarantee*.

Then we could get into the righteousness of Christ being imputed, or credited to the account of the believer after he puts his faith in Christ, and how that righteousness becomes the believers in the sight of God and how the righteous requirements of the Law are fulfilled in the believer that way so the believer is considered by God to have fulfilled the Law. Then even if we are judged by our *works* we pass muster because God sees Jesus works of righteousness as ours, credited to our account.


218 posted on 07/18/2014 5:45:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
You gave me your opinion that I was wrong, posted a bunch of what I suppose is Scripture, but since there were no references nobody unfamiliar with Scripture would know that, and and considered it what?

you, at least, you have your soul imprinted so you know; the scripture does not derive its power from chapter and verse. Those who are without need to hear the words themselves, the seed as it were, and do what they will.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee

231 posted on 07/18/2014 6:35:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: metmom
OK, so you don’t think all those verses support the security of the believer.

They do IFF the believer overcomes and endures to the end without wavering, believing and obeying everything the LORD Jesus taught us by his apostles. There is no guarantee of salvation to the reprobate who depart from the faith they once held.

232 posted on 07/18/2014 6:41:26 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: metmom

Well said!!!!


251 posted on 07/18/2014 9:52:49 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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