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Is There Growing Confusion over Church Teaching?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 16, 2014 | Dr. William Oddie

Posted on 07/16/2014 4:18:13 AM PDT by NYer

I begin with a piece, spotted by Fr Tim Finigan and reported in his indispensable blog The Hermeneutic of Continuity, which had been published in Sandro Magister’s blog—not his English one, Chiesa, but his Italian language blog for L’Espresso, Settimo Cielo.

A few days ago, Magister told the story of a parish priest in the Italian diocese of Novara, Fr Tarcisio Vicario, who recently discussed the question of Holy Communion for the divorced and remarried. This is how he explained the Church’s teaching on the matter: “For the Church, which acts in the name of the Son of God, marriage between the baptised is alone and always a sacrament. Civil marriage and cohabitation are not a sacrament. Therefore those who place themselves outside of the Sacrament by contracting civil marriage are living a continuing infidelity. One is not treating of sin committed on one occasion (for example a murder), nor an infidelity through carelessness or habit, where conscience in any case calls us back to the duty of reforming ourselves by means of sincere repentance and a true and firm purpose of distancing ourselves from sin and from the occasions which lead to it.”

Pretty unexceptionable, one would have thought.

His bishop, the Bishop of Novara, however, slapped down Fr Tarcisio’s “unacceptable equation, even though introduced as an example, between irregular cohabitation and murder. The use of the example, even if written in brackets, proves to be inappropriate and misleading, and therefore wrong.”

Fr Tim comments that “Fr Vicario did not ‘equate’ irregular cohabitation and murder. His whole point was that they are different—one is a permanent state where the person does not intend to change their situation, the other is a sin committed on a particular occasion where a properly formed conscience would call the person to repent and not commit the sin again.”

It was bad enough that Fr Tarcisio should be publicly attacked by his own bishop simply for propagating the teachings of the Church. Much more seriously, Fr Tarcisio was then slapped down from Rome itself, by no less a person than the curial Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, who said that the words of Fr Tarcisio were “crazy [‘una pazzia’], a strictly personal opinion of a parish priest who does not represent anyone, not even himself.” Cardinal Baldisseri, it may be remembered, is the Secretary General of the Synod of Bishops, and therefore of the forthcoming global extravaganza on the family. This does not exactly calm one’s fears about the forthcoming Synod: for, of course, it is absurd and theologically illiterate to say that Fr Tarcisio’s words were “a strictly personal opinion of a parish priest who does not represent anyone, not even himself” (whatever that means): for, on the contrary, they quite simply accurately represent the teaching of the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church.

Sandro Magister tellingly at this point quotes the words of Thomas, Cardinal Collins, Archbishop of Toronto, who was appointed in January this year as one of the five members of the Commission of Cardinals Overseeing the Institute for the Works of Religion, and who at about the same time as Fr Tarcisio was being slapped down from the beating heart of curial Rome, was saying almost exactly the same thing as he had:

Many people who are divorced, and who are not free to marry, do enter into a second marriage. … The point is not that they have committed a sin; the mercy of God is abundantly granted to all sinners. Murder, adultery, and any other sins, no matter how serious, are forgiven by Jesus, especially through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and the forgiven sinner receives communion. The issue in the matter of divorce and remarriage is one’s conscious decision (for whatever reason) to persist in a continuing situation of disconnection from the command of Jesus … it would not be right for them to receive the sacraments….

What exactly is going on, when Bishops and parish priests can so radically differ about the most elementary issues of faith and morals—about teachings which are quite clearly explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church—and when simultaneously one Cardinal describes such teachings as “crazy” and another simply expounds them as the immemorial teachings of the Church? Does nobody know what the Church believes any more?

The question brought me back powerfully, once more, to one of the most haunting blogs I have read for some time, one to which I have been returning repeatedly since I read it last Friday. It is very short, so here it is in full; I am tempted to call it Fr Blake’s last post (one can almost hear his bugle sounding over sad shires):

It is four months since Protect the Pope went into “a period of prayer and reflection” at the direction of Bishop Campbell, someone recently asked me why I tend not to post so often as I did, and I must say I have been asking the same question about other bloggers.

The reign of Benedict produced a real flourish of ‘citizen journalists’, the net was alive with discussion on what the Pope was saying or doing and how it affected the life of our own local Church. Looking at some of my old posts they invariably began with quote or picture followed by a comment, Benedict stimulated thought, reflection and dialogue, an open and free intellectual environment. There was a solidity and certainty in Benedict’s teaching which made discussion possible and stimulated intellectual honesty, one knew where the Church and the Pope stood. Today we are in less certain times, the intellectual life of the Church is thwart with uncertainty.

Most Catholics but especially clergy want to be loyal to the Pope in order to maintain the unity of the Church, today that loyalty is perhaps best expressed through silence.

I look at my own blogging, and see that I perfectly exemplify this. More and more, my heart just isn’t in it; and I blog less than I did. Now, increasingly, I feel that silence is all. Under Benedict, there was vigorously under way a glorious battle, an ongoing struggle, focused on and motivated by the pope himself, to get back to the Church the Council intended, a battle for the hermeneutic of continuity. It was a battle we felt we were winning. Then came the thunderbolt of Benedict’s resignation.

After an agonizing interregnum, a new pope was elected, a good and holy man with a pastoral heart. All seemed to be well, though he was not dogmatically inclined as Benedict had been: all that was left to the CDF. I found myself explaining that Francis was hermeneutically absolutely Benedictine, entirely orthodox, everything a pope should be, just with a different way of operating. I still believe all that. But here is increasingly a sense of uncertainty in the air, which cannot be ignored. “One knew where the Church and the Pope stood” says Fr Blake. Now, we have a Pope who can be adored by such enemies of the Catholic Church as the arch abortion supporter Jane Fonda, who tweeted last year “Gotta love new Pope. He cares about poor, hates dogma.”

In other words, for Fonda and her like, the Church is no longer a dogmatic entity, no longer a threat. That’s what the world now supposes: everything is in a state of flux. The remarried will soon, they think, be told they can receive Holy Communion as unthinkingly as everyone else: that’s what Cardinal Kasper implied at the consistory in February. Did the pope agree with him? There appears to be some uncertainty, despite the fact that the Holy Father had already backed Cardinal Mueller’s insistence that nothing has changed.

We shall see what we shall see at the Synod, which I increasingly dread. Once that is out of the way, we will be able to assess where we all stand. But whatever happens now, it seems, the glad confident morning of Benedict’s pontificate has gone, never again to return; and I (and it seems many others) have less we feel we can say.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: benedict; catholic; doctrine; eucharist; francis; magisterium; pope; popebenedict; popefrancis; sacraments; vatican
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To: metmom
The world doesn’t *owe* Catholicism diddly.

It owes the Church their existence, free of the caliphate. That's what the world owes it. In much the same manner we would say, if not for the US we'd all be speaking German. Let us not show ingratitude to those who came before us and sacrified their life for our civilization.

...[a]nd GOD preserved HIS Scripture and is more than capable of doing it without the help of the Catholic church.

Yes. God preserved His Scripture through the Roman Catholic Church as He intended. Just as He intended that they be responsible for determining the Canon of Scripture and weeding out false gospels.

The RCC is God's work. Catholics take nothing away from God. This was His plan.

321 posted on 07/18/2014 9:26:46 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Karl Spooner
The thing is that what the Church says doesn’t mean diddy compared to what God says. We will never trust man.

It's a false protestant dichotomy to say that what is being said is two different things.

322 posted on 07/18/2014 9:29:24 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Salvation; Elsie; FourtySeven
**one can loose ** LOL! Is that like untied shoelaces?

Shouldn't you ping the person you are laughing at for a spelling error? (it wasn't Elsie) I mean being that you're such a stickler for that stuff and all.

323 posted on 07/18/2014 9:43:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Karl Spooner; Religion Moderator
The sooner you leave fantasy land - the better.

Why, that seems like a personal attack, wherever is the Religion Moderator?

Not that I particularly care about people making it personal with me most of the time but since I mentioned the RM I had to ping the RM.

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325 posted on 07/19/2014 2:29:41 AM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: metmom

Since when has a LOGICAL explanation EVER corrected an EMOTIONAL outburst in these C bvs P threads?


326 posted on 07/19/2014 2:56:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
you, at least, you have your soul imprinted so you know; the scripture does not derive its power from chapter and verse.

Another Catholic invention...

327 posted on 07/19/2014 2:57:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw
So Thanks for shutting us down.

Strange; but you do not SOUND shut!

328 posted on 07/19/2014 2:58:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums; Salvation; Elsie
Shouldn't you ping the person you are laughing at for a spelling error? (it wasn't Elsie) I mean being that you're such a stickler for that stuff and all.

It's alright. I don't seem to ever be able to learn to spell that word correctly.

329 posted on 07/19/2014 2:59:02 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: verga
It was an honest mistake and I admitted it.

Does this mean you'll not make the same 'mistake' in the future?

330 posted on 07/19/2014 2:59:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw
It was OUR thread to begin with. You were allowed to hijack it.

Boo hoo.

Quit whining like a 3 year old and start a NEW one!

Then; if you play nice amoungst yerselves; the RM will not have to stand you in the corner for a timeout.

331 posted on 07/19/2014 3:01:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlatherNaut
“Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.”

HMMMmmm..

I wonder what THIS means...

332 posted on 07/19/2014 3:02:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
So they can't be blamed for it.

They sure CAN!!!

We've been doing it successfully (more or less) for CENTURIES!

--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail MARY!)

333 posted on 07/19/2014 3:03:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
When I speak of anti-Catholic bigots that is referring to a certain select group of less than ten individuals.

And you do it in hushed tones so that you do not attract undue attention to yourself.



334 posted on 07/19/2014 3:13:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Interesting you should ask that question.

It might also be profitable to ask it again in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Just a thought.


335 posted on 07/19/2014 3:17:56 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
NYer--please begin a new caucused thread and warn all participants to not use it to attack other religions which are not present in the caucus.

Well; we COULD; but how we then gonna explain any CONFUSION??

It sure as HELL ain't ANY of us wonderfully catechized Catholics that caused it!!

So; I ask again: Who we gonna blame???



--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary and it's ALIENS! - all the way down!!!)

336 posted on 07/19/2014 3:20:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Not that there are that many Prot caucused threads, but then again, we're not so easily offended.

But when we are...


337 posted on 07/19/2014 3:21:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
They want the protection of caucus threads for themselves only and challenge others when they try to have their own.

At least the MORMONs have learned THEIR lesson!

338 posted on 07/19/2014 3:22:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Legatus; verga
And who exactly is "they"? List 'em. Of course you can't do that either because that would be making it personal.

Physician: heal thyself!!



When I speak of anti-Catholic bigots that is referring to a certain select group of less than ten individuals.


339 posted on 07/19/2014 3:24:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
The gospel according to Murray circa 1985 or whenever.

...vs...

The gospel according to Mary circa 985 or whenever.

340 posted on 07/19/2014 3:24:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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