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Is There Growing Confusion over Church Teaching?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 16, 2014 | Dr. William Oddie

Posted on 07/16/2014 4:18:13 AM PDT by NYer

I begin with a piece, spotted by Fr Tim Finigan and reported in his indispensable blog The Hermeneutic of Continuity, which had been published in Sandro Magister’s blog—not his English one, Chiesa, but his Italian language blog for L’Espresso, Settimo Cielo.

A few days ago, Magister told the story of a parish priest in the Italian diocese of Novara, Fr Tarcisio Vicario, who recently discussed the question of Holy Communion for the divorced and remarried. This is how he explained the Church’s teaching on the matter: “For the Church, which acts in the name of the Son of God, marriage between the baptised is alone and always a sacrament. Civil marriage and cohabitation are not a sacrament. Therefore those who place themselves outside of the Sacrament by contracting civil marriage are living a continuing infidelity. One is not treating of sin committed on one occasion (for example a murder), nor an infidelity through carelessness or habit, where conscience in any case calls us back to the duty of reforming ourselves by means of sincere repentance and a true and firm purpose of distancing ourselves from sin and from the occasions which lead to it.”

Pretty unexceptionable, one would have thought.

His bishop, the Bishop of Novara, however, slapped down Fr Tarcisio’s “unacceptable equation, even though introduced as an example, between irregular cohabitation and murder. The use of the example, even if written in brackets, proves to be inappropriate and misleading, and therefore wrong.”

Fr Tim comments that “Fr Vicario did not ‘equate’ irregular cohabitation and murder. His whole point was that they are different—one is a permanent state where the person does not intend to change their situation, the other is a sin committed on a particular occasion where a properly formed conscience would call the person to repent and not commit the sin again.”

It was bad enough that Fr Tarcisio should be publicly attacked by his own bishop simply for propagating the teachings of the Church. Much more seriously, Fr Tarcisio was then slapped down from Rome itself, by no less a person than the curial Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, who said that the words of Fr Tarcisio were “crazy [‘una pazzia’], a strictly personal opinion of a parish priest who does not represent anyone, not even himself.” Cardinal Baldisseri, it may be remembered, is the Secretary General of the Synod of Bishops, and therefore of the forthcoming global extravaganza on the family. This does not exactly calm one’s fears about the forthcoming Synod: for, of course, it is absurd and theologically illiterate to say that Fr Tarcisio’s words were “a strictly personal opinion of a parish priest who does not represent anyone, not even himself” (whatever that means): for, on the contrary, they quite simply accurately represent the teaching of the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church.

Sandro Magister tellingly at this point quotes the words of Thomas, Cardinal Collins, Archbishop of Toronto, who was appointed in January this year as one of the five members of the Commission of Cardinals Overseeing the Institute for the Works of Religion, and who at about the same time as Fr Tarcisio was being slapped down from the beating heart of curial Rome, was saying almost exactly the same thing as he had:

Many people who are divorced, and who are not free to marry, do enter into a second marriage. … The point is not that they have committed a sin; the mercy of God is abundantly granted to all sinners. Murder, adultery, and any other sins, no matter how serious, are forgiven by Jesus, especially through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and the forgiven sinner receives communion. The issue in the matter of divorce and remarriage is one’s conscious decision (for whatever reason) to persist in a continuing situation of disconnection from the command of Jesus … it would not be right for them to receive the sacraments….

What exactly is going on, when Bishops and parish priests can so radically differ about the most elementary issues of faith and morals—about teachings which are quite clearly explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church—and when simultaneously one Cardinal describes such teachings as “crazy” and another simply expounds them as the immemorial teachings of the Church? Does nobody know what the Church believes any more?

The question brought me back powerfully, once more, to one of the most haunting blogs I have read for some time, one to which I have been returning repeatedly since I read it last Friday. It is very short, so here it is in full; I am tempted to call it Fr Blake’s last post (one can almost hear his bugle sounding over sad shires):

It is four months since Protect the Pope went into “a period of prayer and reflection” at the direction of Bishop Campbell, someone recently asked me why I tend not to post so often as I did, and I must say I have been asking the same question about other bloggers.

The reign of Benedict produced a real flourish of ‘citizen journalists’, the net was alive with discussion on what the Pope was saying or doing and how it affected the life of our own local Church. Looking at some of my old posts they invariably began with quote or picture followed by a comment, Benedict stimulated thought, reflection and dialogue, an open and free intellectual environment. There was a solidity and certainty in Benedict’s teaching which made discussion possible and stimulated intellectual honesty, one knew where the Church and the Pope stood. Today we are in less certain times, the intellectual life of the Church is thwart with uncertainty.

Most Catholics but especially clergy want to be loyal to the Pope in order to maintain the unity of the Church, today that loyalty is perhaps best expressed through silence.

I look at my own blogging, and see that I perfectly exemplify this. More and more, my heart just isn’t in it; and I blog less than I did. Now, increasingly, I feel that silence is all. Under Benedict, there was vigorously under way a glorious battle, an ongoing struggle, focused on and motivated by the pope himself, to get back to the Church the Council intended, a battle for the hermeneutic of continuity. It was a battle we felt we were winning. Then came the thunderbolt of Benedict’s resignation.

After an agonizing interregnum, a new pope was elected, a good and holy man with a pastoral heart. All seemed to be well, though he was not dogmatically inclined as Benedict had been: all that was left to the CDF. I found myself explaining that Francis was hermeneutically absolutely Benedictine, entirely orthodox, everything a pope should be, just with a different way of operating. I still believe all that. But here is increasingly a sense of uncertainty in the air, which cannot be ignored. “One knew where the Church and the Pope stood” says Fr Blake. Now, we have a Pope who can be adored by such enemies of the Catholic Church as the arch abortion supporter Jane Fonda, who tweeted last year “Gotta love new Pope. He cares about poor, hates dogma.”

In other words, for Fonda and her like, the Church is no longer a dogmatic entity, no longer a threat. That’s what the world now supposes: everything is in a state of flux. The remarried will soon, they think, be told they can receive Holy Communion as unthinkingly as everyone else: that’s what Cardinal Kasper implied at the consistory in February. Did the pope agree with him? There appears to be some uncertainty, despite the fact that the Holy Father had already backed Cardinal Mueller’s insistence that nothing has changed.

We shall see what we shall see at the Synod, which I increasingly dread. Once that is out of the way, we will be able to assess where we all stand. But whatever happens now, it seems, the glad confident morning of Benedict’s pontificate has gone, never again to return; and I (and it seems many others) have less we feel we can say.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: benedict; catholic; doctrine; eucharist; francis; magisterium; pope; popebenedict; popefrancis; sacraments; vatican
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To: metmom; defconw; CynicalBear; NYer; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
FWIW, the caucus label was removed BEFORE any non-Catholics posted comments on this thread.

Isn't this something.

Every time I've tried posting a Caucus Thread it's been challenged by RC's and I've had to go back and forth with the RM. The end result has been I post open threads and don't worry if the content details the failures of Roman Catholicism.

261 posted on 07/18/2014 12:18:10 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
Every time I've tried posting a Caucus Thread it's been challenged by RC's and I've had to go back and forth with the RM. The end result has been I post open threads and don't worry if the content details the failures of Roman Catholicism.

They want to run the whole show.

They want the protection of caucus threads for themselves only and challenge others when they try to have their own.

How immature.

262 posted on 07/18/2014 1:42:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
How immature.

Almost as much as protestants continuing to beat up on this.

263 posted on 07/18/2014 1:46:34 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: metmom
They want the protection of caucus threads for themselves only and challenge others when they try to have their own.

Isn't that mind reading? And who exactly is "they"? List 'em. Of course you can't do that either because that would be making it personal. In fact me referring to you is probably making it personal, so for now on instead of writing "you" I shall write "penguins" or possibly "moose". So have fun penguins.

264 posted on 07/18/2014 1:54:49 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: metmom; wmfights
They want to run the whole show. They want the protection of caucus threads for themselves only and challenge others when they try to have their own.

And some refuse to trust the judgment of any moderator that is not known to be Catholic. I wonder if Protestants would be stripped of their right to vote, should our country become majority Catholic?

265 posted on 07/18/2014 1:58:17 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy
Every time I've tried posting a Caucus Thread it's been challenged by RC's and I've had to go back and forth with the RM. The end result has been I post open threads and don't worry if the content details the failures of Roman Catholicism.

With the longing for the return of the Inquisition that I've seen some FRoman Catholics express, that would only be the start.

266 posted on 07/18/2014 2:41:56 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Alex Murphy

Only faithful Catholics get to vote?

And what do we become?

A third world hell hole like the predominantly Catholic countries like the Philippines, Colombia, Brazil?

If the most highly Catholic cities and states in THIS country are any indication, that IS what we’d become.

Catholic monarchy? The RCC set precedent for hundreds of years.

No thanks.


267 posted on 07/18/2014 2:51:13 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; NYer
NYer--please begin a new caucused thread and warn all participants to not use it to attack other religions which are not present in the caucus.

NYer, I think ZC has a darn good idea here.

268 posted on 07/18/2014 2:52:15 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga; Zionist Conspirator; NYer

Well, now, that wasn’t so hard,, now was it?

Almost 300 posts and not one Catholic thought of the idea?


269 posted on 07/18/2014 3:19:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981

OSAS is NOT of Calvin. We Reformed folk don’t put any stick in it.

Just thought you’d like to know.


271 posted on 07/18/2014 3:42:00 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: verga

You guys should stay up here in the major leagues where you might learn something. That minor league team you all give suck on in protective custody will get you nowhere.


272 posted on 07/18/2014 3:46:32 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: af_vet_1981

OSAS is NOT of Calvin. We Reformed folk don’t put any stick in it.

Just thought you’d like to know.


273 posted on 07/18/2014 3:50:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: verga; metmom

Quite simply, metmon follows the Word of God as best she can. You Catholics follow the word of man as best you can.


274 posted on 07/18/2014 4:09:19 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Legatus

ROFLOL! Penguins!


275 posted on 07/18/2014 5:03:38 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw; Legatus

I thought you wanted us to leave you alone? Not a good way to start that. Catholics with their leadership all dressed up with black and white really shouldn’t start that penguin stuff.


277 posted on 07/18/2014 5:20:04 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

That’s why I raised the possibility of “moose”...


278 posted on 07/18/2014 5:22:09 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: CynicalBear; defconw

Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...


279 posted on 07/18/2014 5:29:57 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: Legatus

Moose! If you give a moose a muffin..... LOL.


280 posted on 07/18/2014 5:35:57 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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