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To: Mrs. Don-o
and the more-traditional are becoming the "new normal."

But the "more traditional" are not really traditional. They just "prefer" the Latin Mass. If they were more traditional they too would take issue with Vatican II. So the fact that the so-called "more traditional" is becoming the new normal isn't a good thing. The "new normal" still haven't been converted to the Catholic Faith. They are still VII protestantized.

5 posted on 07/14/2014 1:19:32 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

But the “more traditional” are not really traditional. They just “prefer” the Latin Mass.

...if by the ‘Latin Mass’ you refer to the Pian Mass codified subsequent to the Council of Trent, well, reverence and love of that Mass makes you as traditional as you can get...of course, the Pauline Mass of 1969 was promulgated in Latin, and can be, and has been, celebrated thusly, and therefore,properly termed the ‘Latin Mass’...

...at any rate, nobody I’ve encountered at our local TLM has any love for VatII; that they may refrain from badmouthing those who do attend the Novus Ordo does not speak to any lack of reverence for the tradition and Deposit of Faith...and as for contending with VatII, exactly what is it you expect a traditionally minded Catholic, who is just seeking a more reverent, meaningful worship experience, to actually do...


10 posted on 07/14/2014 2:10:34 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: piusv
You're saying, then, that if you're going to be really Catholic, you have to reject the last Ecumenical Council; you're saying the last five, maybe six popes, were never "converted to Catholicism."

That view -- that people who merely "prefer" the Latin Mass but do not "take issue with" (I presume you mean "reject") Vatican II, are not really Catholics --- places you on one side and the entire body of Catholic Christendom --- the entire hierarchy and a billion+ faithful, including many canonized saints, for the past 50 years, on the other. It logically entails that there is no real Apostolic succession.

That places you outside of Catholicism.

Whether or not you call yourself a sedevacantist,, that's sede in practice, analogous to the Polish or Dutch "Old Catholic" splinters.

15 posted on 07/14/2014 2:41:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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