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I think Louie Verecchio is reading Fr. Longnecker wrongly. He is not talking about "traditionalism" becominbg passe, but rather a generational change in which both VII "liberals" and VII "traditionalists" give way to a new generation born two generations after VII, who are in fact traditionalists, but who see themselves as simply Catholics.

That's the sense I get from this quote from Fr. Longncker:

"The old folks would like to brand the young Catholics as “conservatives” or “traditionalists” or even “arch conservatives”. Some of them are, but most of them are not. They are young. They’re smart and they simply want to be Catholic."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2014/07/a-prophecy-the-vocations-crisis-is-over.html#ixzz37TG0iYPl

The fact that they are considered "arch conservatives" by the grey ponytails of Vatican II, and that they see themselves as "just Catholics," means that the whole thing is undergoing a generational shift, and the more-traditional are becoming the "new normal."

That's good news, if Longnecker is(I hope) accurately discerning the signs of the times, and if Verreccio could wipe off his glasses and see it.

and the more-traditional are becoming the "new normal."

But the "more traditional" are not really traditional. They just "prefer" the Latin Mass. If they were more traditional they too would take issue with Vatican II. So the fact that the so-called "more traditional" is becoming the new normal isn't a good thing. The "new normal" still haven't been converted to the Catholic Faith. They are still VII protestantized.

He is not talking about "traditionalism" becominbg passe, but rather a generational change in which both VII "liberals" and VII "traditionalists" give way to a new generation born two generations after VII, who are in fact traditionalists, but who see themselves as simply Catholics.

Fr. Longenecker: "They’re not buying into the whole liberal agenda, but most of them also don’t care that much for the traditionalist agenda".

How can they be "in fact traditionalists", yet not "care that much for the traditionalist agenda"?

Longenecker seems to be alluding to an evolved version of post-Vat II Catholicism within which traditional Catholicism and post- Vat II novelties have coalesced into a new creation, the "cafeteria traditionalist". This must be a rare breed, as I have yet to encounter any.

IMO Louie Verrecchio's assessment is accurate.

means that the whole thing is undergoing a generational shift, and the more-traditional are becoming the “new normal.”

...and we are seeing that ‘new normal’ being practiced exactly where, in this land of suburbanized Catholic worship...?

...have you taken a good look at the summer attire of the ‘faithful’ lately, as they file in through the doors of the public library, I mean, the Catholic Church, and have you noticed the slouching behavior as they are ushered like cattle to approach the Spotless Host...?

...it wouldn’t be so bad if this sort of church were an seldom encountered aberration, but I think we all know, that with the closings of older, ethnically centered churches, that the bishops all over the country want exactly the type of worship exhibited in your typical suburban church, want to keep the laity fat, dumb, and happy (and thus not reconsidering their annual diocesan donations, and not being a sourpuss sitting in the pews, worrying about the quality of worship...)

...in short, exactly what is ‘more traditional’ about the preferred model of diocesan worship today...or, more to wit, is this what Fr. Longenecker considers traditional...?