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Protestants: It's time to come back
http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com ^ | September 9, 2011 | Leila Miller

Posted on 07/14/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: NKP_Vet
What started out as a righteous Protestant Revolution has dwindled. Quakers divided in 1832 over the divinity of christ, southern presbyterian and baptist and methodist churches preached race slavery prior to the civil war, the Episcopal Church is a shadow of its former self due to progressive social engineering.

There are so many rotten splinters in the protestant branch of christianity. Protestant and Catholic Christian churches stand vacant, are converted into mosques or museums. If history repeats itself - it may be time for all to be sorted out like at Beziers, France on July 22, 1209.

481 posted on 07/15/2014 9:22:50 AM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: NKP_Vet

You are simply wrong.


482 posted on 07/15/2014 9:24:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: terycarl
>> what did the Catholics make up there????<<

Is it then your contention that the angel was actually praying to Mary when he said “hail Mary”? That’s what Catholics are doing. (and please don’t come back with “we don’t pray to Mary. That’s been debunked by the very prayers listed on Catholic sites.) Jesus said to pray directly to the Father in His name. Catholics disrespect both the Father and Jesus when they pray to Mary.

483 posted on 07/15/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: vladimir998

Welcome to the Biblical understanding of asking Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. No earthly priest needed.


484 posted on 07/15/2014 9:25:38 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: metmom
>>It was a greeting from the angel to Mary. It was not a prayer and nowhere is it commanded to repeat it as a prayer.<<

Exactly. The twisting of scripture by the RCC is astounding.

485 posted on 07/15/2014 9:26:45 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: ealgeone

“Welcome to the Biblical understanding of asking Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. No earthly priest needed.”

False. Christ sent priests for confession (John 20:19-23). The Catho9lic view of confession IS the Biblical view.


486 posted on 07/15/2014 9:27:04 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You just contradicted your prior post about not needing to confess to the priest. So which is it?


487 posted on 07/15/2014 9:28:57 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: boatbums; Salvation
Weren't you just bugging another poster for not putting in "live links" instead of references??? You state it, YOU show us the Google!

A servant is no greater than his master. Like Rome, the RC can operate from a double standard. Meanwhile, the The church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, and inheritors of promises of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation.

And instead the church established its Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.) while the alternative is sola ecclesia - the church alone being the supreme authority, with its presuppositions - but the RCs do not (wisely) or should not want to go there. Yet which is an admission that it is not Scriptural (which matters not under Rome).

488 posted on 07/15/2014 9:29:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ealgeone

“You just contradicted your prior post about not needing to confess to the priest. So which is it?”

I in no way contradicted myself.


489 posted on 07/15/2014 9:30:00 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom
>>Slaughtering people and rejoicing in it in the name of Christ is Satanic.<<

They do insist they serve the same god as the Muslim’s.

490 posted on 07/15/2014 9:31:09 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: vladimir998
Now, there are certain Catholic Bibles that go a long way in that direction of explaining the beliefs of Christ’s Church in detail. This is one of them: http://www.amazon.com/Ignatius-Catholic-Study-Bible-Testament/dp/1586172506

That is no more than a very bad translation of the scriptures coupled with a commentary on the scriptures and is in the same rank as the 'Watchtower Magazine'...

491 posted on 07/15/2014 9:34:12 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: NKP_Vet
Post too stupid to be taken seriously. Catholics started the pro-life movement in this country and Catholics remain the MAJOR denomination at all pro-life events in this country.

And who are they protesting against??? Other Catholics...If your religion was anti-abortion it would eliminate all those Bishops who support the pro abortion Democrat Party...

492 posted on 07/15/2014 9:38:32 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: vladimir998
The evidence is overwhelming that OSAS is a false doctrine.

You're nuts...

493 posted on 07/15/2014 9:40:38 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Salvation; ShadowAce
>>You cannot judge me.<<

“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24

I Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

494 posted on 07/15/2014 9:40:49 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Iscool

“That is no more than a very bad translation of the scriptures”

No, actually the RSV is a generally well regarded translation. It has always had its enemies - but so does every other translation (including the KJV, NIV, NKJV, NAB, NEB, etc).

“coupled with a commentary on the scriptures and is in the same rank as the ‘Watchtower Magazine’...”

Again, false. No scholars works on the Watchtower Magazine. Only scholars work on the ISB. I know one of them personally. He is a brilliant scholar, formerly a Protestant minister, who discovered the truth of the Catholic faith and converted. There are no such scholars who work for the Watchtower Magazine.

It amazes me to what lengths Protestant anti-Catholics will go to defame all things Catholic.


495 posted on 07/15/2014 9:45:18 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool

“You’re nuts...”

Nope.


496 posted on 07/15/2014 9:46:22 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom; JPX2011; Talisker
It doesn't matter if it was ONE.

It does not invalidate anything Talisker has said.

Making up numbers out of whole cloth to make things seem worse than they actually are pretty much does invalidate his case because it make everything suspect.

The other fact that prots seem to LOVE ignoring is to take the times something occurred into account.

Was using leeches 200 years ago for medical treatment or inserting red hot pokers into wound to stave off infections barbaric? No it was state of the art Medicine at the time. As knowledge and times change cultures change.

Prots need to realize that times and attitudes about things change.Stop judging everything by such a modern view point.

497 posted on 07/15/2014 9:47:58 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: ealgeone
If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ. In my opinion this is where all churches fail today by not using the original language to explain these very basic, yet most important, understandings of Christianity.

Even without looking at the Greek, the English translation is clear enough.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”

498 posted on 07/15/2014 9:49:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl; metmom
>>of all the stupid things that I've done in my life (Many) saying that you're right isn't one of them...<<

I would agree with that. Saying she was right was a wise thing to do.

499 posted on 07/15/2014 9:58:39 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: ealgeone; vladimir998; editor-surveyor
Vlad wrote:So, if your sect believes in once-saved-always-saved you can look in any Bible and you won’t find a detailed explanation of OSAS anywhere in the Biblical text because none exists.

Eagleone replied; If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ.

ES I would love you to give this attention it deserves. I am going to sit over here in the corner eating my popcorn

500 posted on 07/15/2014 10:00:09 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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