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Posted on 07/14/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
To my Protestant brothers and sisters:
It's time to come back to Mother Church. We want you, we need you, we love you.
I've spent a lot of time in dialogue with activist atheists recently, and the direction we are going is not pretty. We are witnessing a rapid cultural decline into amorality.
Satan seeks the ruin of souls through the destruction of marriage and family, and the quickest route to his goal is the profanation of sex. The truth and meaning of human sexuality is our era's cultural fault line, and unfortunately, Protestant denominations have been tumbling into its widening crevace at an alarming pace.
The first cracks denying the sacred nature of human sexuality began mere decades ago with the first tentative acceptance of contraception by a Christian church (the Anglicans). After 1,900+ years of unbroken Christian teaching on the immorality of contraception (including 400+ years of unbroken Protestant teaching), a moral evil was suddenly declared good. The entirety of Protestantism, although horrified at first, soon followed suit.
"Woe to those who call evil good" -- Isaiah 5:20
Then came other issues -- sterilization, masturbation, abortion, fornication and cohabiting, homosexual activity and homosexual "marriage". One by one, Protestant communities have broken from Christian teaching and sided with the secular culture. Many Protestant communities do not accept all the aforementioned evils as good, of course, and some are making a valiant attempt to fight one or more of them. However, there is no guarantee that those denominations won't eventually accept other sexual sins in the same way they accepted contraception, sterilization and masturbation. A majority vote by church leaders could launch an unsuspecting Protestant from the Spirit of the Gospel right into the spirit of the age -- the Planned Parenthood age.
Look where you are standing. Unless you stand with the Catholic Church, you may already have one foot off the cliff.
How to guarantee that you'll stand firmly on the ground of moral Truth? Come back home to the Catholic Church.
For over two thousand years:
The Catholic Church has never taught that contraception is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that sterilization is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that masturbation is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that abortion is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that fornication is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that homosexual activity is a moral good, and she never will.
The moral teachings of the Church have never changed, and they never will.
Human sexuality is transcendent, life-giving and sacred, and the Catholic Church will teach that Truth till the last day.
Dear Protestant, a church with a changing morality is a church built on shifting sand. If you want to build your life and eternity on something solid, build it on the Rock of Peter. Don't be carried about by every wind of social change; come back to the Catholic Church and stand strong with us -- one united Body as Jesus intended.
America may not survive many more generations at the rate we are going, but the Church and her teachings will stand regardless, speaking the same Truths, undisturbed, till the end of time. Believe me, it's a really nice place to be in a storm. Extremely peaceful.
So, come on. You'll like it here, living in peace and joy and certainty. It's your rightful home anyway.
Come back to Holy Mother Church. It really is time.
“Read 2 Thessalonians and answer the following: What tradition(s) is Paul teaching here?”
Since it is completely irrelevant to the discussion answer the question yourself.
Forget it.
What a bunch of nonsense.
Just where does the author get the facts to support all those claims about Mary.
Scripture is totally silent on every claim that author makes in Mary’s alleged role in salvation.
And Jesus is our Judge to chastise *ungrateful souls*? That DIRECTLY contradicts Scripture, words that Jesus Himself spoke.
“I don’t think you can defend much of what you say with scripture.”
I don’t think you can defend any of what you say against orthodox Christianity with scripture.
“Your responses are lacking substance or documentation.”
Your responses laughably lack substance and documentation and show a clear reliance on anti-Catholic websites rather than actual research.
“I much prefer someone who is at least conversant on scripture.”
I much prefer someone who is at least conversant about what they are actually attacking rather than simply being bigoted and ignorant.
“The pathetic responses we get from you are rather dullard looking and I’ll just leave you to your dillusions.”
And I’ll leave you with your delusions. I have no idea what a “dillusion” is. Is that your favorite pickle?
It's not at all like saying that! Trying to proselytize Christians from one church to another based on the idea that they can't possibly BE Christians, is the point DManA is making. That is the presumption the author of this article is also making - that ONLY the Roman Catholic church can be the place for salvation in Christ and getting "everything" else right, even in the face of your OWN catechism which acknowledges differently. It is insulting to post threads like this that intentionally provoke non-Catholics. It makes me question the faith of those who constantly do so.
Touche`
“which was a non-answer and an attack on the original poster.”
No, but if that’s how you take it then I guess that’s where it will stay.
“Again...a second refusal to answer the question.”
Oh, no! The horrors! How will you cope? Will you make it through the day? Of course you will. You’ll just post more evasions and complain no one is answering YOUR questions.
“You must be afraid to answer.”
If that were so, if that’s your logic, then you must be evading questions people ask you because you’re afraid. Is that the case?
“That’s all I need to know about you.”
As long as you know that about yourself. How’s that feel?
No thanks, Mother Church is a cult. I prefer being assured of my salvation, as the Bible many times says is possible.
Amen! Those who trust in their “church” more than trusting God are that much more easily deceived.
Amen.
“And if it weren’t for Catholics voting dem, Roe v. Wade would not have been passed”
Your ignorance of Roe v. Wade is telling. Your hatred of the Catholic Church is abnormal and not healthy.
Of the 9 justices of the Supreme Court that voted abortion into law there was exactly ONE Catholic sitting on the bench.
1. Warren Burger was Presbyterian
2. William O. Douglas was Presbyterian
3. Lewis Powell was Presbyterian
4. Potter Stewart was Episcopalian
5. Byron White was Episcopalian
6. Thurgood Marshall was Episcopalian
7. Harry Blackmun was Methodist
8. William Rehnquist was Lutheran
9. William Brennan was Catholic
Byron White, appointed by JFK, and William Rehnquist, appointed by Nixon were the only dissenting votes.
A very PROTESTANT Supreme Court gave this country abortion on demand. And yes evangelicals after the vote were in favor of it. Catholics stood alone in protesting abortion. It’s nice to see they have help now, but in the early days it was Catholics and no one else.
“You just challenged me to show where you said there was any other infallible source for what the apostles taught!”
Nope. And I think you know that’s the case too - hence you’re calling in all of the usual suspects to come to your aid in your hour of need.
“Well, you didn’t and you can’t. So that leaves Sola Scriptura by your own admission whether you know it or not.”
No, since I didn’t do the former, I could not have done the latter. And there is no way - by my own admission (since none was made) nor by default - to prove sola scriptura.
Wow. Yet another failure on your part. And worse than that. You actually make claims that I did something I never did. Why do Protestant anti-Catholics SO OFTEN resort to outright making things up???
“You remind me of Ted Kennedy. He just liked to argue and twist the facts when he couldn’t answer questions.”
Except that is exactly your behavior.
“You must be a liberal dimocrat. You’re answers are just like theirs.”
Wow, I must really be ticking you off for you to throw that out. How sad that you can’t handle it.
Kennedy, Kerry, Chavez, Gillibrand, Pelosi, Biden, .........
Enjoy your delusion.
Because clearly, by everything you have posted here, you can not and never will be able to admit that a *Protestant* can be right about anything.
“Trying to proselytize Christians from one church to another based on the idea that they can’t possibly BE Christians, is the point DManA is making.”
But since no Catholic here - that I know of - and certainly not me is actually making the claim that you “can’t possibly BE Christians” then DManA is wrong. And, if he, and possibly you, could be so wrong about something that is so obviously NOT BEING SAID why would I agree with your understanding of any issue?
“That is the presumption the author of this article is also making - that ONLY the Roman Catholic church can be the place for salvation in Christ and getting “everything” else right, even in the face of your OWN catechism which acknowledges differently.”
It’s not a presumption to believe that Christ’s salvation of us is mediated through the Catholic Church. That is the ancient teaching. Christ only established one Church and it isn’t your sect. Are you insulted by that? I bet you are, but I don’t say it to insult you. It’s just true. Now, have you forgotten what we have taught you many times: that God is merciful and we believe non-Catholics can be saved? That isn’t a reason to not be in the Church, but it is a necessary truth to fully understand the teaching on salvation. Be fair. If you’re going to attack something at least attack what it actually is.
“It is insulting to post threads like this that intentionally provoke non-Catholics.”
1) Prove it is being done to “intentionally provoke non-Catholics”. Can you?
2) Don’t Protestant anti-Catholics then “intentionally provoke Catholics” here as well?
3) When Jesus condemned the Pharisees was He simply being “intentionally provoking” or did He actually have a point?
“Virulency confirmed, evidence of its spreading on display for all to see!”
I would much rather be accused of “virulency” than make up things that someone never said and accuse him (or her in Leila Miller’s case) of saying it. That’s what you just did.
Those who put their faith in those organizations surely are.
“A very PROTESTANT Supreme Court gave this country abortion on demand. And yes evangelicals after the vote were in favor of it.”
That’s true. I documented here how the Southern Baptists have gradually BECOME more pro-life BUT still support abortion in some cases - at least as of a few years ago.
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