Posted on 07/13/2014 6:35:41 AM PDT by marshmallow
Pope Francis promised "solutions" to the issue of priestly celibacy in an interview on Sunday that raised the possibility the Catholic Church could eventually lift a ban on married priests, but was quickly refuted by the Vatican
VATICAN CITY: Pope Francis promised "solutions" to the issue of priestly celibacy in an interview on Sunday that raised the possibility the Catholic Church could eventually lift a ban on married priests, but was quickly refuted by the Vatican.
Interviewed by Italy's La Repubblica daily, Francis also condemned child sex abuse as a "leprosy" in the Church and cited his aides as saying that "the level of paedophilia in the Church is at two per cent".
"That two per cent includes priests and even bishops and cardinals," the pope was quoted as saying.
Asked whether priests might one day be allowed to marry, Francis pointed out that celibacy was instituted "900 years after Our Lord's death" and that clerics can marry in some Eastern Churches under Vatican tutelage.
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NOT at all. One can change, learn and adapt.
Since the skills sets are so different, one can be a VERY good vicar, especially when one doesn't have to
*support a wife and family
*worry about children's lives, sins, problems, futures, fiends
*be concerned about affording proper education
*worry about wife's health/happiness
*deal with mortgages
*have IN-LAWS
The celibate cleric can devote 100% of his time to his
*parishioners' needs,
*the usual fund raising,
*the vicarage upkeep (painting, plumbing, gardening etc.)
*marital spats of his parishioners,
*any domestic abuse he may get wind of,
*wayward teens,
*possessions by demoniacs (I had to throw that in.)
*spiritual crises
*alcohol and drug problems
*sudden catastrophe in a parishioner's life
*counseling the despairing families, battling spouses, drug/alcohol problems, recently widowed, family deaths,
*referring problems of any kind to specialists,
ETC.
AND SO MUCH MORE that may come up. SOMETIMES the married vicar may have BOTH a parishioner and family crisis at the same time. Who gets his attention first and most?
Now you've surprised me. You "don't" think marriage is supposed to be voluntary?
In the Catholic Church, lack of consent would render an attempted marriage "null." That means there would be an "annulment." It would be considered canonically invalid.
And a meat cleaver is a permanent fix for what?
THEN there are always the Judases.
uncelibacy?
lol
//kidding
Interesting how the whole debate is about church policy, tradition, *historically*, yada, yada, yada.
Not much looking at what Scripture says about the qualifications of a deacon or elder.
Since a man is permitted sex only with his wife, a man who is celibate would be obliged also to be abstinent.
"Celibate" does not mean "virginal." A widower who is abstinent after his wife's death, is not virginal but he is celibate.
Reminds me of that guy whose wife had a “solution” a couple years back-— what was his name? Bobbit? I believe it involved a steak knife...
Even a priest has to eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom.
A man called by God into the ministry is simply that, a man called by God into the ministry.
Show me where either single men or married men are disqualified in Scripture from serving in that capacity and show me where in Scripture marriage precludes giving oneself 100% to God.
Why does the Catholic church put demands on men that God never does?
Seems Catholics have a hard time comprehending the thought that whether we eat, drink or whatever we do, we can do ALL to the glory of God. There's this mentality that the secular and the sacred are somehow separated and that if you're doing one, you can't be doing the other, so being married means a man can't be serving God completely. What a bunch of nonsense.
A married person can be just as able to serve God completely and live a life glorifying Him as a single person. There's no inherent virtue to being single that makes a person ore capable of living for God or glorifying Him that being married.
Trial balloons perhaps.
Trial balloons perhaps.
After how many hundreds of years?
And that only because of the negative publicity from the press after the people involved refused to be silenced.
Hardly an impressive action, doing something about it only after you've been caught.
That's just rationalization.
There is no choice about the vow of celibacy for someone who is a priest. It's imposed on those who would choose the priesthood.
Choosing the priesthood is voluntary. The celibacy attached to it is not. If someone has to fore go the priesthood because of the celibacy rule, that celibacy is not voluntary.
Matter of fact, if it's a rule, it's not voluntary.
But tradition trumps Scripture so they can ignore that.
cm:Lol. Being a good husband and father ISN'T the same at all as being a good priest, vicar or minister. Success at one isn't a guarantee for success at the other.
A pastoral flock is NOT comprised of a wife and children. The flock is comprised of children and adults who are looking for spiritual guidance, not parenting or being a husband.
VERY different skills sets.
You're laughing at Scripture? Really?
Iscool did not make that up.
Take it up with God who says.....
1 Timothy 3:1-5 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?
The Holy Spirit does not see the distinction that the Catholic church sees (or rather makes).
Show us the chapter and verse.....
On the contrary, this is also what the Holy Spirit through Paul says.....
1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have the right to eat and drink? Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
I find it interesting that this line of argument is used here, where in every other aspect of life it is rejected. For example if you sign up for a credit card and are then subject to its terms and conditions including having disputes adjudicated via arbitration do we not say that signing up for that credit card is voluntary? We certainly would at FR. That is, unless, someone is advocating that matters of Faith be completely devoid of reason.
Show us in Scripture where God demands celibacy of those He has called into service as ministers of the Gospel.
Jesus and St. Paul commend celibacy.
The Church doesn't force anyone to be celibate. It's a choice men make when they enter the priesthood.
Celibacy is a discipline, not a dogma.
In some Catholic (Eastern) Rites, priests may marry.
And some married Anglican converts to Roman Rite Catholicism have been allowed to enter the Catholic priesthood.
What for? I'm just asking why you would accept sound conservative principles on the one hand and reject them on the other. God is not unreasonable. Unless on is a Muslim and for them God is above all of that "man-made" reason and logic stuff.
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