Posted on 07/13/2014 6:35:41 AM PDT by marshmallow
Pope Francis promised "solutions" to the issue of priestly celibacy in an interview on Sunday that raised the possibility the Catholic Church could eventually lift a ban on married priests, but was quickly refuted by the Vatican
VATICAN CITY: Pope Francis promised "solutions" to the issue of priestly celibacy in an interview on Sunday that raised the possibility the Catholic Church could eventually lift a ban on married priests, but was quickly refuted by the Vatican.
Interviewed by Italy's La Repubblica daily, Francis also condemned child sex abuse as a "leprosy" in the Church and cited his aides as saying that "the level of paedophilia in the Church is at two per cent".
"That two per cent includes priests and even bishops and cardinals," the pope was quoted as saying.
Asked whether priests might one day be allowed to marry, Francis pointed out that celibacy was instituted "900 years after Our Lord's death" and that clerics can marry in some Eastern Churches under Vatican tutelage.
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So what’s the big deal with celibacy anyway?
Is it supposed to be more virtuous? Make someone more holy?
What’s the issue with sex that the Catholic church has that it exalts virginity and celibacy so much?
Which one of the 41,000 denominations do YOU belong too?
The churches I have attend don’t have bishops either, and this is across many denominations over the last 37 years.
It’s pastor, elder, or deacon, the pastor being considered, technically, an elder.
And I have known single men who were elders and pastors.
I am opposed to women serving as pastors. I know of women who were credentialed as *pastor* simply for the purpose of being able to help the pastor with hospital visitation for women and I don’t have a problem with that. However, I do have a problem with women pastors who are in a position of teaching and authority.
( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7, i.e., the Church), with the power to "bind and loose," given by Jesus himself. It is fitting for the Church to make celibacy a priestly discipline.
This is all fantasy...There's no scripture for that...In what year was this fantasy first penned by Catholics and turned into tradition???
Don't Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7 count as Scripture?
Isaiah 22 refers to the transition in office of the vice-regent, or prime minister, of the Kingdom of David, who held plenary authority in the king's absence. This earthly authority was represented by an over-sized key which the prime-minister wore around his neck.
Isaiah 22In Rev. 3:7, we see that Jesus is the King of the eternal House of David, and holds the key of the eternal Davidic kingdom, the office which Jesus gives to Peter, as recorded in Matthew.19 I will thrust you from your office and pull you down from your station.
20 On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah;
21 I will clothe him with your robe, gird him with your sash, confer on him your authority.
He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
22 I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder;
what he opens, no one will shut, what he shuts, no one will open.23 I will fix him as a peg in a firm place, a seat of honor for his ancestral house;
Revelation 3:7“The holy one, the true, who holds the key of David,
who opens and no one shall close, who closes and no one shall open,
Matthew 16:19I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Most of what I see you post is “stupid stuff” having nothing to do with the subject of the thread and invariably disrupts the thread for very juvenile input on your part.
The celibate cleric can devote 100% of his time to his
*parishioners' needs,
*the usual fund raising,
*the vicarage upkeep (painting, plumbing, gardening etc.)
*marital spats of his parishioners,
*any domestic abuse he may get wind of,
*wayward teens,
*possessions by demoniacs (I had to throw that in.)
*spiritual crises
*alcohol and drug problems
*sudden catastrophe in a parishioner's life
*counseling the despairing families, battling spouses, drug/alcohol problems, recently widowed, family deaths,
*referring problems of any kind to specialists, ETC.
AND SO MUCH MORE that may come up.
SOMETIMES the married vicar may have BOTH a parishioner and family crisis at the same time. Who gets his attention first and the most? He has to CHOOSE, doesn't he?
A priest doesn't have to choose between wife/family and his parishioners because he is single -- so he can be FREE to be serve all his parishioners...that's why he is "Father" Jones.
I think it’s completely unnecessary to pick on another’s grammar or spelling. And it’s uncharitable to do it over and over again.
True enough. However that scriptural passage refers to what Paul had already taught in his role as a bishop and part of the magisterium i.e., Sacred Tradition.
So would you please show us any infallible source for what the apostles taught other than found in scripture?
Fallacious question. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are in harmony. This question presumes separation between the two when there is none. An unfortunate side-effect of protestanatism. The either/or dilemma.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. God used Balham’s donkey and Judas also so being used by God doesn't make one so sanctified.
Not a problem.
Go get’em, S_T_A!
Bears and donkeys...all these beasties in your world.
And what you said is true enough.
Which goes to show that the RCC is a cult then as it depends on extra Biblical revelation.
Your whole last paragraph makes no sense.
And that still doesn't answer the question of what Calvinism has to do with it.
Are you somehow under the delusion that I care what Calvin had to say about anything?
Fantastic! I have finally found someone who can show where in scripture the apostles taught the veneration and assumption of Mary? Please show from scripture where they taught that.
Who cares?
They don't answer to me. That's between them and God.
So maybe you can answer the questions in post 161...
So what’s the big deal with celibacy anyway?
Is it supposed to be more virtuous? Make someone more holy?
What’s the issue with sex that the Catholic church has that it exalts virginity and celibacy so much?
They why aren't they defrocked and prohibited from serving and officiating mass.
Fallacious question. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are in harmony. This question presumes separation between the two when there is none. An unfortunate side-effect of protestanatism. The either/or dilemma.
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Darn tootin!!
Yes. SOME. Not all.
That does not mean that Jesus supports, encourages, or mandates a celibate priesthood.
The OT priests were not celibate. God never laid that on them.
Who says Sacred Tradition is extra biblical? You? And how is your interpretation of scripture not extra biblical?
Are you somehow under the delusion that I care what Calvin had to say about anything?
I don't know, do you reject free will as Calvin did?
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