Posted on 07/10/2014 8:05:46 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
“They are obstinate.”
Yes, and it is more than that. Take note of what they let slip now and then. Many of them are not well educated and certainly not well catechized. Many of them can barely make an argument, don’t read many books, and don’t know the Bible as well as they think they do. Some of them are filled with hatred toward truth (anti-Catholicism is a mental illness it seems). And a few of them are more than willing to OUTRIGHT lie if they believe it will advance their sectarian views. They occupy the same planet but live in a much different world than we do. They also, even after thousands of threads about sola scriptura, still cannot produce even one verse from scripture that actually supports it.
You belive in Scripture, correct?
Then why don't you believe this?
John 21: (We'll be using the KJV today to keep things on even footing): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.
You belive in Scripture, correct?
Then why don't you believe this?
John 21: (We'll be using the KJV today to keep things on even footing): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.
The Good Thief had a Baptism of Desire.
Not all people have that. Or ask for it like he did.
He also had been chosen to hang next to Christ during the crucifixion. A special honor. He also recognized Jesus had committed no crime.
Throughout the gospels those that are blessed to recognize the divinity of the Lord despite his human form were rewarded.
“If you can come up with a good Biblical reference for that assertion, we could have a nice debate”
Ignorance is no excuse. Go down to the local library or better yet do a Google search about the history of Christianity and come back and tell me Catholics didn’t compile the Bible and canonize the Bible. Go along now and do you homework.
“Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic.”
So what did the churches use for their New Testament before 400 AD, when local councils discussed the issue, or the 1500s, when the Roman Catholic church finally issued its authoritative list? There was no binding canon for Catholics prior to the Council of Trent, so what did they use?
There is a difference between everything and everything essential.
Again, I'll reference Polycarp, student of Paul, who wrote a letter to the Philippians. In that letter he states that Paul "wrote a letter unto you, into the which if ye look diligently, ye shall be able to be builded up unto the faith given to you,"
Polycarp was a disciple of the Apostle Paul. He says that just one letter of Paul is sufficient to build up the faith. Imagine what all of the letters of the new testament make possible?
“The Bible Itself declares that it doesn’t contain everything.”
1. We know EVERYTHING God chose to put in inspired Scriptue. Everything. If there is ANY major doctrine or teaching NECESSARY for salvation, Christian maturity, of Church governance, please post it here.
2. To say that Christ spoke and did other things, but we have no written record, does not further your argument in any way. It will remain an argument from silence. It will remain something God the Father, through the Holy Spirit, chose not to include in Scripture.
3. Of course the Bible “doesn’t include everything.” That isn’t the point or meaning of SolA Scriptura. Why would you think “everything” is necessary for salvation, maturity or governance?
The question was not about what all people have or want, but about what is possible.
Your response in 155 was well thought, balanced, polite, and powerful. Well done!!!
Instead of getting all smug and condescending, you should understand what I was referring to , as I quoted in the line above the challenge in post 152. I will re-post it here as a courtesy, and underline you false assertion:
from Post 152 above:
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QUOTE: "The Catholic Church, started by Christ himself, has the teaching authority for the Bible"
If you can come up with a good Biblical reference for that assertion, we could have a nice debate. For I would counter with this... ----------------------------------------------------
Your condescending statement "Go along now and do you homework." would be well received by yourself. Instead, I would say to you "Go along now and ask your Priest what to believe."
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Why are you twisting the meaning of what John wrote? He was talking about the many, many things Jesus did while He was with them. John did not say there was a separate revelation outside God's Word.
Amen!
Yes, I'm with you on that.
“...and tell me Catholics didn’t compile the Bible and canonize the Bible. Go along now and do you homework.”
You are wrong, of course.
The assumption is that nothing happened after that. When the Reformation set the Scriptures free, it also set in motion an examination that resulted in a Canon minus the erroneous books Romanism had included.
John 17:14-19 (KJV)
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
There is only one Truth. It is not found in religion, no matter how cute their costumes, or elaborate their ceremonies, or how long its prowled the Earth. Consider carefully what spirit motivates those that continue to belittle personal Bible study, and hold God’s Word, and the Holy Spirit its author and guide, in such low regard.
You cannot love Jesus and despise his Word. They are one and the same and cannot be separated. No Word, no Jesus, but if you KNOW the Word, you KNOW Jesus.
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. John 6:63
2 Timothy 3:12-17 (KJV)
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 1 Peter 2:2
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For, “All people are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord endures forever.” And this is the word that was preached to you. 1 Peter 1:23-25
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.
This is true, but it doesn't give license to add any new revelations such as we see develop regarding Mary, indulgences, etc.
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