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To: metmom
That isn't named by name in Scripture.

Yes, but 110 CE/AD is fairly close. The combination "the Catholic Church" (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110.

as opposed to the phrase The body of Christ is an organism, which you keep repeating over and over again as if you learned it somewhere ..., perhaps here as it is a hallmark of this denomination/sect that dates only to the 19th Century ... The Plymouth Brethren is a conservative, low church, nonconformist, Evangelical Christian movement, whose history can be traced to Dublin, Ireland, in the late 1820s, originating from Anglicanism.[1][2] Among other beliefs, the group emphasizes sola scriptura, the belief that the Bible is the supreme authority for church doctrine and practice over tradition. The churches are all independent, self-governing, local congregations, and there are no central headquarters or formal affiliation with any denomination. Although the group is notable for not taking any official "church name" to itself, the title "The Brethren," is one that many of their number are comfortable with in that the Bible designates all believers as "brethren". "Brethren assemblies" are commonly perceived as being divided into at least two branches, the "Open Brethren" and the "Exclusive Brethren".

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

These called out assemblies of Jewish and Gentile Christians were first and foremost gatherings of people under the supervision of apostolically designated bishops/elders chosen, appointed, and discipled by the Apostoles and those they sent. Lather, rinse, and repeat.

The Catholic church claimed to be it retroactively with absolutely no basis for the claim but their

The Catholic and Orthodox churches are the only churches with the historicity to reach back to the Apostles. These churches have a membership that comprises perhaps almost a fifth of all human beings. You, OTOH, have to take the position that the church is invisible and/or did not prevail to set them aside, ... oh, that is why you have that doctrine.

859 posted on 07/03/2014 5:23:03 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

And just WHERE are those 7 Catholic churches today??



"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

863 posted on 07/03/2014 5:31:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
Yes, but 110 CE/AD is fairly close.

yes but nothing.

Close doesn't count. If it's not Scirpture, it's not Scripture and if it's not named in Scripture, it doesn't matter whose opinion it is, it isn't named in Scripture.

as opposed to the phrase The body of Christ is an organism, which you keep repeating over and over again as if you learned it somewhere ..., perhaps here as it is a hallmark of this denomination/sect that dates only to the 19th Century ...

Pure speculation on your part.

Denominations are not the living body of Christ.

They are organizations which have set themselves up and called themselves churches.

The body of Christ is built of individual believers.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Not corporately, individually.

865 posted on 07/03/2014 5:44:57 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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Yes, but 110 CE/AD is fairly close.

*Yes but*... nothing.

Close doesn't count. If it's not Scripture, it's not Scripture and if it's not named in Scripture, it doesn't matter whose opinion it is, it isn't named in Scripture.

as opposed to the phrase The body of Christ is an organism, which you keep repeating over and over again as if you learned it somewhere ..., perhaps here as it is a hallmark of this denomination/sect that dates only to the 19th Century ...

Pure speculation on your part.

Denominations are not the living body of Christ.

They are organizations which have set themselves up and called themselves churches.

The body of Christ is built of individual believers.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Not corporately, individually.

The Catholic and Orthodox churches are the only churches with the historicity to reach back to the Apostles.

So what? There are other religions that are far older. If age it the determining factor in truthfulness or validity, there are other religions which can out do the Orthodox and Catholic.

These churches have a membership that comprises perhaps almost a fifth of all human beings.

Only when it's convenient for the numbers game. I hear that when one leaves the RCC that that person's name is never removed unless they officially request it in writing.

That means that *I* am still being counted as part of that 1.2 billion strong, as are multitudes of other Catholics who left after being born again.

The hypocrisy in that claim that's constantly being thrown out there is that there are cultural Catholics, there are the likes of Pelosi, Kennedy, Chavez, etc who you guys own when it comes to the numbers game and turn around and disown as having ex-communicated themselves when it comes to pointing out the liberal voting patterns of the majority of Catholics, and there are those who left of their own accord, who you all own only when it's convenient.

866 posted on 07/03/2014 5:53:50 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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