Heb 7:11-12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? (12) For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.There is nothing wrong with the law as God gave it to Moses. But it is gravely wrong to misapply it to Christians, as it creates confusion as to the true basis of salvation, as well as the true instruction from God we have on how to live. For Christians, true Torah is the New Covenant, the law of Christ, the royal law of love in all its dimensions. Not the Levitical law. Disrespecting Torah is disrespecting the word of Christ and His apostles by rejecting the newness of the New Covenant. Disrespecting Torah is rejecting Messiah, as is true of many Jews. As long as they reject Jesus, they cannot be Torah observant. This is a tragedy, but it is not anti-Semitic to point it out. Else Paul himself is anti-Semitic:
Rom 10:1-4 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. (2) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (3) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. (4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.If they don't have Christ, they don't have Torah, and they don't have salvation. So far from "mocking" them, it is the most Christian, loving thing one can do, to be honest with them, to frankly tell them their Messiah has come and fulfilled the law on their behalf, and offered himself to die for them, that they might have eternal life.
Perhaps you should consider the context of the debate, and explain how reproving Judaizers, and challenging them to be consistent in their position, is somehow mocking the Torah and the Jews, and is antisemitic, antiChristian, and unclean. Do it!
I did, and I think you crossed the line so I reproved you.
But af_vet_1981 has not shown here why my words warrant these charges when Scripture goes much further, while if the objection is to how my words may be taken, then we must heavily censor Scripture, as well as refrain from contending for the faith and against liberalism. Yet this charge by af_vet_1981 is consistent with RCs who see most any reproof of Rome as bigoted, but which can never apply to them.
You provided a reasoned response, and indeed, calling Christian sabbathtarians "Judaizers" as they enjoin keeping the ceremonial law upon us is clearly not mocking the Torah nor is it antisemitic, antiChristian, and unclean, esp. when Paul had much stronger words.
And yet the response to this apostolic support by af_vet_1981 was that "Peter and Paul are my apostles; I believe and trust them. They were not antisemitic in the least."
And thus despite any denial that he was not calling me antisemitic, af_vet_1981 is dealing with motive, so that while the fact is that i am very much pro-Israel , and Paul can say
"I would they were even cut off which trouble you. (Galatians 5:12) - "Would that those who are upsetting you might also castrate themselves!" (NAB) - and
"Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost," (1 Thessalonians 2:15-16)
and Peter can state, "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?," (Acts 15:10)
yet my words that, "all those Judaizers who even had marital relations last night must remain unclean till the evening. (Leviticus 15:16-18) I wonder how many observe that one," are said to be mocking the Torah, and antisemitic, antiChristian, and unclean, because af_vet_1981 does not trust my motive.
Thus af_vet_1981 does not trust me in my reproof of modern-day Judaizers and thus i am charged with speaking antisemitic, antiChristian, and unclean words.
And thus he/she must yet provide evidence of why i cannot be trusted to speak such words without these being antisemitic, antiChristian, and unclean, or otherwise show how my words of reproof in calling for consistency are trying to mock the Torah and are antisemitic antiChristian and unclean.
It was however, mocking those who enjoin keeping the ceremonial law yet who do not treat themselves as unclean until the evening every time they had marital relations.