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When Priests Leave the Church. How common is Alberto Cutis journey to Protestant ministry?
America Magzine ^ | October 5, 2009 | Stephen Joseph Fichter

Posted on 06/23/2014 6:17:59 PM PDT by Gamecock

Earlier this year, Father Alberto Cutié, a popular radio and television personality in Miami, found himself the subject of tabloid headlines when he was photographed relaxing on the beach with a woman who turned out to be his longtime girlfriend. Shortly afterward, he announced that he was leaving the Catholic Church to become an Episcopal priest, and in June he and his girlfriend were married in a civil ceremony. The reasons Cutié gave for his conversion to the Anglican Communion were not theological in nature; his primary motivation seemed to be to free himself from the celibacy requirement that the Catholic Church demands of its Latin Rite priests.

How unique is Cutié’s story? How many other Catholic priests have left the church for another denomination in order to marry? Could Cutié’s conversion signal the beginning of another wave of men leaving the priesthood? Until November 2008, when I completed my dissertation on the transition of celibate Catholic priests into married Protestant ministry, it would have been impossible to address these questions. The data I collected over the course of a year allowed me to conduct the first-ever analysis in this field.

Though many social scientists (including my granduncle, sociologist Joseph Fichter, S.J.,) had studied the phenomenon of priests leaving ministry since the late 1960s, I could not find a single research project that dealt with this specific subset. Not even the most elementary demographic data were available. How many Catholic priests chose to become Protestant ministers? From which branch of the priesthood (diocesan or religious) did they originate? What Protestant churches did they choose to join? All of these questions were unanswered. Fifty or Five Thousand?

In his 1961 book Religion as an Occupation, Fichter noted that some “ex-priests” chose to continue their pastoral work in Protestant ministry, but cited only two examples. In Married Catholic Priests: Their History, Their Journey, Their Reflections (2004), Anthony Kowalski writes of “many” who have married and now serve in mainline churches but mentions only five Episcopalians and two Lutherans by name. Certainly there are more but no one seems to know exactly how many. Are there 50, 500, 5,000?

Thanks to information gathered from the research offices of the five mainline Protestant Churches (Congregational, Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian), I was able to identify 414 such men in the United States. Following the advice of the late Dean Hoge, I did not contact the Baptist Church or any of the hundreds of small Protestant denominations, presuming that very few Catholic priests would be inclined to join them.

Nearly one-third of the 414 former Catholic priests now serving in Protestant ministry agreed to participate in my survey. Of the 131 respondents, 105 (80.2 percent) became Episcopalian, 15 (11.5 percent) Lutheran, eight (6.1 percent) Congregationalist, and three (2.3 percent) Methodist. I found a 40-year age range: the youngest was 42 and the eldest 82. Their mean age was 62.8 while the median was 64.

The “typical” participant in my study, therefore, was born around 1944. If we divide his life into seven 9-year periods, we find him immersed in Catholic devotions and rituals during the first two timeframes. His service as an altar boy and the encouragement he received from the nuns facilitated his entry into the seminary at the age of 18 in 1962. He dedicated the third period of his life, during the heyday of Vatican II, to preparing for ordination at the age of 27 in 1971. He spent the fourth phase in active Catholic ministry and struggled with his commitment to celibacy. At the age of 36 in 1980, at the beginning of the fifth period, he resigned from ministry, got married, worked for a few years in a non-ministerial job, and eventually began his journey to his new denomination. From 1989 to 2007, he served as a married Protestant minister, twice the amount of time he spent as a Catholic priest. ‘An Agonizing Decision’

Many respondents spoke at length about the critical decision-making juncture of their lives. Most described it, as did Alberto Cutié, as a heart-wrenching process. A former diocesan priest, who now serves as a Congregationalist minister, said:

I had such a nervous encounter with my bishop and with my parents. It was a period of constant headaches. It was a very difficult decision. I was so torn between Sally (pseudonym) and celibacy. When I finally resolved the dilemma, the headaches stopped… It truly was an agonizing decision. I still recall how poorly the bishop treated me. I felt that he really didn’t care about me. I remember my mother saying, “But you are one of the good ones!” I told her that I just couldn’t do it anymore. In the end, both of my parents were very supportive; I was blessed with two great parents. It was an agonizing decision especially after spending eight years in the seminary and nine years in ministry.

Once they began to doubt their commitment to celibacy, most participants began weighing the choices before them. One was to “bite the bullet” and remain a celibate Catholic priest. A second option was to seek a dispensation and thereby enter into a Catholic marriage, but in the process forfeit their beloved ministry. The third alternative, the one that Cutié and the survey respondents chose, was to renounce their Roman Catholic affiliation in order to enter ministry in another domination.

When asked why they made the transition, six out of ten respondents cited celibacy. “I joined the Episcopal Church because I wanted to have the option of being married,” one participant wrote. Some conveyed a deep attachment to the Catholic Church: “My only reason was so that I could get married. Otherwise, I would have stayed.” For the majority, becoming Protestant only occurred after they married. In general, the respondents did not resign because they disliked ministry or had failed at it. Had the pope allowed them to marry, many would have stayed. Three of the respondents stated that they would return to the Catholic priesthood today—if they could bring their wives along with them. The Congregationalist minister above spoke about his time in Catholic seminary as “the best eight years of my entire life.” He described the monks in charge of his formation as men of great kindness, role models who provided him with a solid theological education and a positive spiritual foundation. His problems began during his first assignment:

I was doing really well in my ministry, but rectory life was killing me. The pastor, who was great with the parishioners, had this notion that you need to treat the young priests harshly. He was really hard on us. He made all the rules. There was no discussion. I began to lose weight. I asked the bishop for a transfer. My second pastor was an alcoholic. Besides that, he had his ‘boyfriend’ over at the rectory so often that it made me feel uncomfortable. I asked the bishop for another transfer and this time I was assigned to a truly great pastor. He was so kind to me, and he was someone that I deeply admired. I have often thought that had Father Michael (pseudonym) been my first pastor, I might still be a Catholic priest today. . . . My main issue was with celibacy, however. I always thought that it was unjust, especially when the Pastoral Provision (permission that Pope John Paul II granted in 1980 to Episcopalian ministers to serve as married Catholic priests after their conversion) came through. I thought that such a decision was a double standard. I was battling loneliness. . . . I think that I would have stayed as a Roman Catholic priest if celibacy had been optional.

Other respondents spoke about their dislike for specific tenets of Catholic dogma. Many pointed to the publication of Humanae Vitae as a major turning point in their lives. One former diocesan priest, who is now 80 years old, said, “Humanae Vitae pushed me off the edge. I saw that act as the refusal of the Roman Catholic Church to enter the modern world.”

One of the Episcopalians in the study clearly presented what I categorized as the two main motivating factors: the pull of the “heart” issue (falling in love) and the demands of the “head” (doctrinal dissent):

During my first three years of ordained ministry as a priest, I fell in love with a woman who was the youth minister at my parish. Even though I had questioned the discipline of celibacy before, I began to seriously question and struggle with it. I began to feel that God was calling me in a different direction, that celibacy might not be my calling. Coupled with the struggle over celibacy, I seriously questioned the Roman Catholic Church’s treatment of women, laypeople and homosexuals. The establishment in Rome was becoming more rigid and moving the church backwards. The reforms of Vatican II came under fire. It came to the point where I could not imagine being happy in 20 years if I remained in ministry in the Roman Catholic Church. I felt God was calling me to pursue something else. I dreamed of finding a denomination where I could continue to minister with my wife, a gifted youth and family minister. New Church, Familiar Liturgy

When asked why they chose their current denomination, the majority of respondents spoke of the strong similarity between their present church and the Catholic Church in terms of liturgy, ministry and theology. This was especially true for the Episcopalians and seems to explain why so many of the survey respondents gravitated to the Anglican Communion. Most of those who joined the Episcopal Church said that with only minor adjustments they “felt at home” from the beginning and that they found comfort in the fact that they could hold onto their core beliefs in the Resurrection and the Eucharist. Over time they modified their views on other subjects, such as papal infallibility and women’s ordination, but many of them had already begun to question the validity of those doctrines.

Before I began the interviews, I hypothesized that diocesan priests would be overrepresented in my sample because they seem to be at greater risk for loneliness than religious order priests. (Most religious live in community, while diocesan priests often live alone in rectories because of the shortage of priests.) The survey results support this hypothesis. Based on the historical ratio of American diocesan clergy to religious, one would expect to find 61.5 percent diocesan priests in this sample; in fact, 72.3 percent of the respondents had served in diocesan ministry. (Recall that Cutié was a diocesan priest.)

Where Cutié differs from most of the men I surveyed is in the historical timing of his decision. The majority of respondents began their journey to a new church in the period from the late 1960s to the early 1980s. It seems unlikely that Cutié’s example will spark another wave of priestly resignations. According to research conducted by Dean R. Hoge and Jacqueline E. Wenger in Evolving Visions of Priesthood: Changes from Vatican II to the Turn of the New Century (2003), young priests today are more theologically conservative than their immediate predecessors and are more likely therefore to embrace the church’s traditional teaching on celibacy. Questions remain, however, about how many young Catholic men have chosen lay or Protestant ministry over the Catholic priesthood because of the demands of celibacy—a fitting area of inquiry, perhaps, for another curious sociologist.


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To: Elsie

Hey your the guy who bases his religion on a MAN who broke his vows.

Catholics base they religion on Christ.

AMDG


121 posted on 06/27/2014 5:11:05 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: Elsie
And you CLAIM that it can mesh smoothly with Heaven who has NO time in it.

Let me ask you something: Which do you believe is superior in the order of things; the spiritual or the natural?

122 posted on 06/27/2014 6:10:34 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Elsie

“Yup; it’s the world we live in.”

EXCEPT The Trinity, Mary and all the faithful departed who have attained heaven do not live in the world we live in.

And heaven is infinite, with NO LIMITATiONS with regard to either space or time,

So it could be 100,000,000,000 prayers per earth second for intercession to Mary because where she is ther are NO SECONDS.

AMDG


123 posted on 06/27/2014 7:05:59 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: verga; metmom

Countless Priests have broken vows and still serve as little Jesus at RomanCatholic churches world wide.

What’s your point?


124 posted on 06/27/2014 7:07:36 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

“serve as little Jesus at RomanCatholic churches”

They do not serve as ‘little Jesus’ as you call them they operate ‘in persona Christi’ ie as His representative on earth.

Wrong again.

AMDG


125 posted on 06/27/2014 7:18:08 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: Gamecock

Funny how Catholics only go after priests who *break their vows* to become married to a woman.

Not a peep about those countless priests who break their vows molesting children. It reveals some kind of deep seated twisted issue about sex in their minds.

Instead it’s excuse after excuse and once a priest always a priest and as long as their intent if *right* they can lift up those hands which perpetrate such debauchery as if they are pure and holy and *consecrate* the host and place it in the mouth of the person receiving communion.

If only people knew what those hands had been doing.

Of course, the RCC has to take that stand. Could you imagine the fallout if people thought that the sacraments they had been receiving for all those years were not valid? Their salvation would be at risk. They could not bear the thought. Therefore, denial is their only option.


126 posted on 06/27/2014 8:57:20 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Catholics base they religion on Christ.

And He is NOT gonna be happy with you leaving His MOM out of the picture!

REPENT!!!


127 posted on 06/27/2014 1:00:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011

Ok; now you’ve asked.

Feel better?


128 posted on 06/27/2014 1:01:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
EXCEPT The Trinity, Mary and all the faithful departed who have attained heaven do not live in the world we live in.

Awful lot of ASSUMPTIONS here for a one-eyed fatman!

129 posted on 06/27/2014 1:02:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
... the faithful departed who have attained heaven ...

Ah; yes.

Those FAITHFUL who are going to have to LEAVE Heaven to get back INTO their tombs for the rapture.


1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

130 posted on 06/27/2014 1:04:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
...because where she is ther are NO SECONDS.

I'm just SURE you've got some TRADITION to back up this silly thought!

131 posted on 06/27/2014 1:05:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Wow what sect do you claim as belonging to.

You are so different I don’t believe we have any common beliefs.

BTW who told you that the years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds that regulate and govern life on earth have any purchase in heaven.

Since when is the God the Father, Christ His son and the Holy Spirit limited in any way by space and time.

Whoever told that it was so had to have flunked basic Philosophy, Physics and Theology all at the same time.

That’s what you get when you base your Church on men not Christ.

For the Greater a Glory of God


132 posted on 06/27/2014 4:33:31 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98
All these words and no link to any evidence.

That’s what you get when you base your Church on men not Christ.

What MEN did you have in mind; the ones that said Galileo was WRONG?

133 posted on 06/27/2014 4:53:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
again you did not read my original post I said I knew four Evangelicals who were fallen away Catholics and who divorced and remarried and are now Evangelicals.

Of course i read your post, as that is why i said you knew just four Evangelicals converts from Rome.

Of every single protestant I know,

Now you are simply negating the distinction i have made from the beginning, that of evangelicals, and you said, "the vast majority of fallen away Catholics...are divorced and remarry," despite also including Prots.

Which term "Protestant is so wide that it is basically meaningless. I am defending a kind of faith which the term "evangelical" best fits overall, if in decline, not whatever falls under the term "Protestant." The facts remain that those who most strongly hold to Scripture literally being the assured word of God and supreme authority are far more conservative and unified in core beliefs than the overall fruit of Rome.

protestants are the ones who need damage control

Indeed they would if they were claiming to be conservative and the one true faith. But that is Rome's claim, and thus it is challenged and refuted.

you are the ones who celebrate when fallen away Catholics find a place at your 'Catholic lite - protestant easy' sects.

Which is another grasping, specious charge. "We" as a conservative evangelicals are a movement which historically were called fundamentalists, even by Rome, because they opposed such liberalism.

and my number is only four Evangelicals however slightly less than 50 total protestants...

Irrelevant. When i begin defending all that falls under the name "Protestant" - the definition of which is so wide you can drive a Unitarians Scientology Swedenborgian 747 thru it then your charge will be fitting.

You don;t need to believe my 'biased' polling just use your eyes and count the divorced protestants

Ditto. The fact remains however that Catholics do not have less divorced members than evangelicals, and Rome treats even prosodomite proabortion pols as members in life and in death.

As I said several times protestants get our dregs and Catholics get your best:

Rather, the evidence shows evangelicals take your "dregs out of a liberal church and make then conservatives, while the best place to call home is Rome of liberal Prot churches, which tend to be the most like Rome.

Yet considering the status of men the Lord chose and souls as the Corinthians, the Jews had your attitude.

Tony Blair....

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: (1 Corinthians 1:26)

134 posted on 06/27/2014 5:13:58 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom
I>Of course, the RCC has to take that stand. Could you imagine the fallout if people thought that the sacraments they had been receiving for all those years were not valid? Their salvation would be at risk. They could not bear the thought. Therefore, denial is their only option.

So much for your claim of ever having been a Catholic, or knowing the CCC. Ex opere operato: is a Latin phrase meaning "from the work worked" referring to the efficacy of the Sacraments deriving from the action of the Sacrament as opposed to the merits or holiness of the priest or participant.

135 posted on 06/27/2014 8:20:10 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: daniel1212
Ditto. The fact remains however that Catholics do not have less divorced members than evangelicals, and Rome treats even prosodomite proabortion pols as members in life and in death.

It would be interesting to see what the broken marriages stats are like if you threw the RCC sanctioned divorce (aka annulments) in the mix.

If there is no difference between denominations for divorces, that is, no doubt, not counting annulments.

But broken marriage vows are broken marriage vows, and whether it's a non-church sanctioned break called a divorce, or a church sanctioned divorce, called an annulment, it's still a broken marriage and family.

136 posted on 06/27/2014 9:15:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212

good luck daniel

AMDG


138 posted on 06/27/2014 9:28:14 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: metmom
It would be interesting to see what the broken marriages stats are like if you threw the RCC sanctioned divorce (aka annulments) in the mix.

Thanks. That indeed must be considered.

And considering the wide scope of possible reasons why a marriage may be annulled, and an est. 400,000 marriages have been annulled since 1970 (http://articles.philly.com/1986-05-08/news/26049605_1_annulments-divorced-catholics-marriage), then how many RCs today are possibly in invalid marriages, even though canon law presumes all marriages are valid until proven invalid.

And as a SV site points out,

68% of annulments today [dated] are granted because of "defective consent," which involves at least one of the parties not having sufficient knowledge or maturity to know what was involved in marriage. The ingenuity of judges in confidently asserting that such knowledge or maturity was lacking is amazing. Vasoli says that it is done by substituting "junk psychology" for sound psychology and psychiatry. (www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/28_Annulments.pdf)

Among some of the conditions in canon law (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P3X.HTM) which make one incapable of contracting marriage:

1075 §1. It is only for the supreme authority of the Church to declare authentically when divine law prohibits or nullifies marriage.

Can. 1078 §1. The local ordinary can dispense his own subjects residing anywhere and all actually present in his own territory from all impediments of ecclesiastical law except those whose dispensation is reserved to the Apostolic See.

So much for the assertion that Rome is subject to Scripture. “With regard to the mystic body of Christ, that is, all the faithful, the priest has the power of the keys, or the power of delivering sinners from hell, of making them worthy of paradise, and of changing them from the slaves of Satan into the children of God. And God himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of his priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution, provided the penitent is capable of it. " Such is," says St. Maximus of Turin, " this judiciary power ascribed to Peter that its decision carries with it the decision of God." 2 The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it. .” – Dignity and Duties of the Priest, St. Alphonsus Ligouri, Vol. 12, p. 2 (whose writings were declared free from anything meriting censure by Pope Gregory XVL (1839) in the bull of his canonization). http://www.archive.org/stream/alphonsusworks12liguuoft/alphonsusworks12liguuoft_djvu.txt

those who lack the sufficient use of reason;

those who are not able to assume the essential obligations of marriage for causes of a psychic nature.

(Can. 1095)

those who suffer from a grave defect of discretion of judgment concerning the essential matrimonial rights and duties mutually to be handed over and accepted;

Error concerning a quality of the person does not render a marriage invalid even if it is the cause for the contract, unless this quality is directly and principally intended.

No room for interpretation here. Wide interpretive provisions for saying the marriage never existed, and can see varying verdicts.

Physical capacity for consummation lacking [15]. Per Canon 1084 §3 "Without prejudice to the provisions of Canon 1098, sterility neither forbids nor invalidates a marriage." Both parties, however, must be physically capable of completed vaginal intercourse, wherein the man ejaculates "true semen" into the woman's vagina. (See [1] for details.)

But if you vow never to do so,

Perpetual vow of chastity [21]. One of the parties has made a public perpetual vow of chastity. Ecclesiastical, absolute, permanent (unless dispensed by the Apostolic See).

Another little detail Rome thinks the Holy Spirit Mary did not feel was important to provide in Scripture. And doctrinally the pope would not let her out of the presumed vow, being too important to the demigoddess status of the Mary of Catholicism.

A person bound by the bond of a prior marriage, even if it was not consummated, invalidly attempts marriage.

Public propriety [26]. The parties are "related" by notorious or public concubinage. Ecclesiastical, relative, permanent.

Disparity of cult [19]. A marriage between a Catholic and a non-baptized person is invalid, unless this impediment is dispensed by the local ordinary. Ecclesiastical, relative.

Thus Samson's wife was not really his wife. (Jdg. 14:2,15)

broken marriage vows are broken marriage vows, No problem, Just say the marriage never existed.

139 posted on 06/28/2014 5:50:44 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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