"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
Posted on 06/17/2014 9:05:04 AM PDT by Gamecock
It’s often not even availability of food. It’s corruption of the governments who control the food supply to control the people.
The church ought to work on dealing with the moral issues that breed corruption and the rest of the problems would largely solve themselves.
I find it amusing that all the comments by the Catholics on this thread are defending the pope and church and accusing everyone else of taking his comments *out of context*.
But I have yet to see them provide his comments IN context and explain what he said and how it doesn’t mean what he said, but what they want it to mean.
There is nothing that the Catholic church can do, no matter how evil or depraved, that some Catholics will not defend with, *out of context*, *everyone else is doing it too so we’re not so bad*, or *we’re all sinners, nobody is perfect*.
[To pv, et, and bn]: Fellas?
Why you’re at tell us all about the changes in doctrine on abortion, homosexuality, and women ordaination. Did he change Catholic doctrine while I was sleeping?
What good does an "unchanged doctrine" do if it isn't enforced? Or even if "debate" is allowed on it? What happened to the old Catholic Church that would have just told people "No" from the beginning and that would have been the end of it? Oh, that's right . . . Vatican II and its philosophical enablers happened!
The Catholic Church has changed radically. The fact that the Syllabus of Errors is still "theoretically" in force and still locked up in some musty old archive doesn't change the fact that post-VII papal and conciliar statements have said the exact opposite and are the basis of life in the Church today.
An unchanging church would be just that--unchanged. The post-VII church is so different from its predecessor that it isn't even recognizable as the same religion. Instead the patristic consensus on the Hexameron has been relegated to the dustbin of history and written off as "just their pre-scientific opinion" (while those same fathers' pre-scientific opinions on the virgin birth and the real presence are still held to as authoritative) and "St." Henry Cardinal Newman's "development of doctrine" thesis (which horrified his contemporaries but is adhered to as "gospel" by today's "conservative" Catholics) is invoked to justify this (dare I say it?) "evolution" in the Catholic worldview as an organic continuation of the ancient and even pre-Constantinian church.
Go to the library and find a big book called a "dictionary." Then look up the word "unchanging" in it. Maybe then you will understand.
Scraping the bottom of the 1916 barrel are we?
Had to reach real deep and way back to ladle out your anti-catholic screed if the day.
As Majoram Dei Gloriam
Capitalism does indeed work due to the fallen nature of man.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
"Thus saith the Lord God: Woe to the shepherds of Israel, that fed themselves: should not the hocks be fed by the shepherds?"
"Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord."
"St." Henry Cardinal Newman's "development of doctrine" thesis (which horrified his contemporaries but is adhered to as "gospel" by today's "conservative" Catholics) is invoked to justify this (dare I say it?) "evolution" in the Catholic worldview as an organic continuation of the ancient and even pre-Constantinian church.
Incorrect. The writings of St. Vincent of Lerins (died c. 445) led to John Henry Newman's conversion. St. Vincent's writings align with the teachings of the Church Fathers regarding the Deposit of Faith and Morals. The Vincentian Canon: "Care must especially be had that that be held which was believed everywhere [ubique], always [semper], and by all [ab omnibus]." By this triple norm of diffusion, endurance, and universality, a Christian can distinguish religious truth from error.
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"But some one will say perhaps, 'Shall there, then, be no progress in Christ's Church?' Certainly; all possible progress. For what being is there, so envious of men, so full of hatred to God, who would seek to forbid it? Yet on condition that it be real progress, not alteration of the faith. For progress requires that the subject be enlarged in itself, alternation, that it be transformed into something else. The intelligence, then, the knowledge, the wisdom, as well of individuals as of all, as well of one man as of the whole Church, ought, in the course of ages and centuries, to increase and make much and vigorous progress; but yet only in its own kind; that is to say, in the same doctrine, in the same sense, and in the same meaning." ~ St. Vincent of Lerins
Talk about the grotesque reduction of actual Reality being performed in these mental maneuvers!!
Had to happen to lay ground work for the purgeing of the masses and liquidation of undesireables and processing the useless eaters..
By Darwinists, faux-Darwinists, and psuedo-Darwinists..
which became socialists and ultimately progressives..
De-flowering and defameing and degrading humanity into farm animals..
Inspiring Stalin, Hitler, Mao and a panoply of other demogogues...
“Mental Maneuvers”, indeed... devaluing the best and brightest to the least and worthless..
Pretty smart actually.. more like Morlocks and Eloy..
The next socialist you meet is indeed a MORLOCK..
Not LIKE a Morlock; but the really of what the fictional meme speaks of..
Would actually make a good novel.. as good as Atlas Shrugged..
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I already awarded post of the day, but this is a close, and well-deserved, second.
I was writing of Cardinal Newman, not Vincent of Lerins.
Newman was a liberal. He was vehemently opposed by Catholics in his day (American convert Orestes Brownson authored a contemporary expose on him).
Anything in RCC 'doctrine' that condemns pedophiles?
If not; I could not care less about them.
But; the best of all; are the folks that can CAUSE a shortage; thereby becoming Master of All!
What do Ukrainians need natural gas for anyway.
It ain't winter; yet...
Let 'em burn COAL!
He's just a man; we can ignore what he says, does, thinks.
Only the CHURCH is All-powerful, ALL-knowing and ALL-loving.
--Catholic_Wannbe_Dude(Hail Mary!)
Shut UP!
How DARE you bring RELIGION into a Conservative site!
This ain't Sunday School!!!
(I read this...
...somewhere.)
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
O...
K...
You mean SIN?
What a NOVEL idea!
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