Posted on 06/10/2014 5:29:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
The churches and priests in the archdiocese of New York who support and celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass seem to be under attack by the powers that be. +Dolan is making it clear that he is not a shepherd to those who honor tradition.
LOL. Seriously. I think many are starting to wake up though...albeit slowly.
This is about the Vatican II Church sucking the life out of whatever is left of the Catholic Church. The modernists continue to seek to obliterate all that is Catholic.
But God won’t let them.
**If there were a commercial enterprise**
I guess you have a point. At that level we are taliking about Rome Inc.
And then you had
Vice President Joe Biden attended mass and received communion on Sunday at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York where the mass was celebrated by Cardinal Timothy Dolan.
At a time when the administration is being sued by Dolan and the Catholic Bishop’s Conference over the Obama health care provision on birth control, the meeting was seen as an attempt to create a new dialogue.
An Irish American Catholic, Biden receiving communion was also seen as significant. Dolan’s predecessor Cardinal Edward Egan refused to give communion to those who differed with the church on the abortion issue.
Biden says he is pro-life but will not seek to impose his views on others.
Biden met with Cardinal Dolan after the mass for coffee but what they discussed was not made public.
Biden’s latest move comes at a time when the Obama administration appears to be using the VP in a new outreach to American Catholics. -
-www.irishcentral.com/news/new-outreach-to-catholics-as-biden-meets-with-cardinal-timothy-dolan-in-new-york-199835071-237575401.html
And so he’s prohibited from performing mass because of remarks done in bad taste, but if he were molesting little boys, he’d be protected by the same authority, and likely shuffled around to another unsuspecting parish.
It’s once a priest, always a priest for gross immorality, but get canned for daring to criticize his higher ups?
The Catholic church has it’s priorities all screwed up.
LOL I wonder if all Catholics consider the Archdiocese of New York, and Cardinal Dolan in particular, to be their fellow servants of the most High Lord?
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/on-dismissal-of-fr-wylie-from-new-york.html
The latest: the removal of Fr. Wylie “came directly from the Cardinal’s Office”.
Papa Joe Biden The Irish catholic usually attends Sunday service at the Westminster Presbyterian Church with his wife in Wilmington Delaware.
He is prohibited from being involved with his High School Archmere Academy.
Wow, never miss a chance to cast aspersions against the Church. Thank you for contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation.
The priest can disagree with the Bishop, in private, but it is out of order to do so from the pulpit, generally speaking.
The Homily is a specific part of the Mass where the day’s readings, especially the Gospel, are taught for the benefit of the congregation. It is not a place to gripe.
He should have followed his chain of command. By not doing so, he is disrupting the good order and discipline of the parish.
Does anybody have any explanation as to why the Catholic hierarchy is so against the Latin Mass?
It scares the hell out of them. That's the best explanation I've been able to come up with after 15 years of watching certain bishops do everything they can to stamp it out.
Don’t you think the reaction was extreme regardless?
Great question! Having not heard both sides, in my opinion, the tie goes to the Cardinal, because of his authority.
Have bishops been wrong? Yep. Just ask St. Padre Pio. However, the response of the saints who were wronged by the hierarchy has always been obedience. They bore the wrongs patiently, even into death (St. Faustina).
When a priest or religious begins badmouthing eloquently or otherwise their religious superior, I see unhealthy pride. I was a little put off by Fr. Frank Pavone’s letter, but glad he worked with his bishop to get things settled.
St. Paul was not obedient, nor was St. Athanasius, nor St. Joan of Arc. As a matter of fact, Cardinal Bergoglio public dissed Pope Benedict's Regensburg address.
Have you ever heard of "false obedience"?
“He should have followed his chain of command.”
With Captain Queeg at the helm?
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“The contrast of how Fr. Wylie was handled with how was considered, for instance, the affair involving another visiting priest, from the Diocese of Oakland, Califonia, could not be greater. Some years ago, this visiting priest from Oakland had been arrested for a lewd act in public in that city (police report - very graphic content).
Yet last fall he was a regular Sunday and weekday celebrant at the Church of Our Saviour in Manhattan. The Church posted this pleasant goodbye on Facebook when he departed:
He was in residence at the nearby parish of Our Lady of the Scapular and St. Stephen, where he gave an Advent workshop. When parishioners learned of his background and complained to the Archdiocese they were told that he was in good standing with his bishop in Oakland and therefore was acceptable to the Archdiocese.
The visiting priest from Oakland did not celebrate the Traditional Mass.”
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/on-dismissal-of-fr-wylie-from-new-york.html
Sorry, none of your examples hold up as appropriate for this context. St. Athanius wasn’t disobeying his religious superior, Joan of Arc wasn’t a confessed religious, and St. Paul cries out against disobedience.
In this case, with this priest, his comments are inappropriate, whether the comments are correct or incorrect.
In Phoenix, two traditional priests (FSSP) were attacked with one killed last night. It is a sad week for Catholics, particularly traditionally minded Catholics.
His comments are appropriate under the circumstances, and furthermore, he deserves credit for speaking the truth with charity.
What you seem to be advocating for is a form of clericalism which is divorced from truth and justice. God bless Father Wylie, and may He send us many more courageous priests who are able to discern the difference and speak the truth when justice demands it.
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