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Scripture and Tradition
Catholic.com ^ | August 10, 2004 | CatholicAnswers

Posted on 06/09/2014 9:26:16 PM PDT by Salvation

Scripture and Tradition

Protestants claim the Bible is the only rule of faith, meaning that it contains all of the material one needs for theology and that this material is sufficiently clear that one does not need apostolic tradition or the Church’s magisterium (teaching authority) to help one understand it. In the Protestant view, the whole of Christian truth is found within the Bible’s pages. Anything extraneous to the Bible is simply non-authoritative, unnecessary, or wrong—and may well hinder one in coming to God. 

Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the Bible does not endorse this view and that, in fact, it is repudiated in Scripture. The true "rule of faith"—as expressed in the Bible itself—is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, as manifested in the living teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Jesus and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly. 

In the Second Vatican Council’s document on divine revelation, Dei Verbum (Latin: "The Word of God"), the relationship between Tradition and Scripture is explained: "Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity God’s word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. 

"Thus, by the light of the Spirit of truth, these successors can in their preaching preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and make it more widely known. Consequently it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and reverence." 

But Evangelical and Fundamentalist Protestants, who place their confidence in Martin Luther’s theory of sola scriptura (Latin: "Scripture alone"), will usually argue for their position by citing a couple of key verses. The first is this: "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31). The other is this: "All Scripture is 
inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be equipped, prepared for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16–17). According to these Protestants, these verses demonstrate the reality of 
sola scriptura (the "Bible only" theory). 

Not so, reply Catholics. First, the verse from John refers to the things written in that book (read it with John 20:30, the verse immediately before it to see the context of the statement in question). If this verse proved anything, it would not prove the theory of sola scriptura but that the Gospel of John is sufficient. 

Second, the verse from John’s Gospel tells us only that the Bible was composed so we can be helped to believe Jesus is the Messiah. It does not say the Bible is all we need for salvation, much less that the Bible is all we need for theology; nor does it say the Bible is even necessary to believe in Christ. After all, the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal; they learned from oral, rather than written, instruction. Until relatively recent times, the Bible was inaccessible to most people, either because they could not read or because the printing press had not been invented. All these people learned from oral instruction, passed down, generation to generation, by the Church. 

Much the same can be said about 2 Timothy 3:16-17. To say that all inspired writing "has its uses" is one thing; to say that only inspired writing need be followed is something else. Besides, there is a telling argument against claims of Evangelical and Fundamentalist Protestants. John Henry Newman explained it in an 1884 essay entitled "Inspiration in its Relation to Revelation." 

 Newman’s argument

He wrote: "It is quite evident that this passage furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is profitable for these four ends, still it is not said to be sufficient. The Apostle [Paul] requires the aid of Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15). Moreover, the Apostle here refers to the scriptures which Timothy was taught in his infancy. 

"Now, a good part of the New Testament was not written in his boyhood: Some of the Catholic epistles were not written even when Paul wrote this, and none of the books of the New Testament were then placed on the canon of the Scripture books. He refers, then, to the scriptures of the Old Testament, and, if the argument from this passage proved anything, it would prove too much, viz., that the scriptures of the New Testament were not necessary for a rule of faith." 

Furthermore, Protestants typically read 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context. When read in the context of the surrounding passages, one discovers that Paul’s reference to Scripture is only part of his exhortation that Timothy take as his guide Tradition and Scripture. The two verses immediately before it state: "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:14–15). 

Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it—Paul himself—and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. So Protestants must take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition! 

The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15). 

This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19). 

And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ" (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit "Christ’s word" to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion. 

Further, it is clear that the oral teaching of Christ would last until the end of time. "’But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is the good news which was preached to you" (1 Pet. 1:25). Note that the word has been "preached"—that is, communicated orally. This would endure. It would not be 
supplanted by a written record like the Bible (supplemented, yes, but not supplanted), and would continue to have its own authority. 

This is made clear when the apostle Paul tells Timothy: "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). Here we see the first few links in the chain of apostolic tradition that has been passed down intact from the apostles to our own day. Paul instructed Timothy to pass on the oral teachings (traditions) that he had received from the apostle. He was to give these to men who would be able to teach others, thus perpetuating the chain. Paul gave this instruction not long before his death (2 Tim. 4:6–8), as a reminder to Timothy of how he should conduct his ministry. 

What is Tradition?

In this discussion it is important to keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics. Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different. 

They have been handed down and entrusted to the Churchs. It is necessary that Christians believe in and follow this tradition as well as the Bible (Luke 10:16). The truth of the faith has been given primarily to the leaders of the Church (Eph. 3:5), who, with Christ, form the foundation of the Church (Eph. 2:20). The Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit, who protects this teaching from corruption (John 14:25-26, 16:13). 

 Handing on the faith

Paul illustrated what tradition is: "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed" (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2). 

The first Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching" (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative. Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35). 

This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul. Indeed, even the Gospels themselves are oral tradition which has been written down (Luke 1:1–4). What’s more, Paul does not quote Jesus only. He also quotes from early Christian hymns, as in Ephesians 5:14. These and other things have been given to Christians "through the Lord Jesus" (1 Thess. 4:2). 

Fundamentalists say Jesus condemned tradition. They note that Jesus said, "And why do you transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matt. 15:3). Paul warned, "See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ" (Col. 2:8). But these verses merely condemn erroneous human traditions, not truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. These latter truths are part of what is known as apostolic tradition, which is to be distinguished from human traditions or customs. 

 "Commandments of men"

Consider Matthew 15:6–9, which Fundamentalists and Evangelicals often use to defend their position: "So by these traditions of yours you have made God’s laws ineffectual. You hypocrites, it was a true prophecy that Isaiah made of you, when he said, ‘This people does me honor with its lips, but its heart is far from me. Their worship is in vain, for the doctrines they teach are the commandments of men.’" Look closely at what Jesus said. 

He was not condemning all traditions. He condemned only those that made God’s word void. In this case, it was a matter of the Pharisees feigning the dedication of their goods to the Temple so they could avoid using them to support their aged parents. By doing this, they dodged the commandment to "Honor your father and your mother" (Ex. 20:12). 

Elsewhere, Jesus instructed his followers to abide by traditions that are not contrary to God’s commandments. "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice" (Matt. 23:2–3). 

What Fundamentalists and Evangelicals often do, unfortunately, is see the word "tradition" in Matthew 15:3 or Colossians 2:8 or elsewhere and conclude that anything termed a "tradition" is to be rejected. They forget that the term is used in a different sense, as in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15, to describe what should be believed. Jesus did not condemn all traditions; he condemned only erroneous traditions, whether doctrines or practices, that undermined Christian truths. The rest, as the apostles taught, were to be obeyed. Paul commanded the Thessalonians to adhere to all the traditions he had given them, whether oral or written. 

 The indefectible Church

The task is to determine what constitutes authentic tradition. How can we know which traditions are apostolic and which are merely human? The answer is the same as how we know which scriptures are apostolic and which are merely human—by listening to the magisterium or teaching authority of Christ’s Church. Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic. If the Church revealed to us the canon of Scripture, it can also reveal to us the "canon of Tradition" by establishing which traditions have been passed down from the apostles. After all, Christ promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church (Matt. 16:18) and the New Testament itself declares the Church to be "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

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To: Secret Agent Man

There is a lot of information here that some Bible readers miss. It was posted for educational purposes.

Thanks for stopping by, and may God bless you throughout the day.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 6:25:01 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ravenwolf

And how did they get those Gospel stories? From person to person communication, right? The Gospels were written from roughly 50 AD through 100 AD.

Christ had ascended into heaven. So with the help of eye-witnesses and the Holy Spirit these Gospels were scribed.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 6:27:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dartuser
As long as Rome is apostate, which it has been from the beginning, there will be no unity with true Christians. You will have your unity with the Muslims, with the Jews, and eventually with the Protestants ...

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So, what you are saying is that for some 1500+ years ALL Christians, that is, ALL Catholics were "apostate"?? I guess when Peter went to Rome HE started this "apostate" sin? ALL the vicars of Christ since then are ALL "apostate"? Hmmm.

My, that IS a sweeping generalization and condemnation of BILLIONS of souls over 1500+ years, 15 centuries of condemnation from one FReeper.

a·pos·tate əˈpäsˌtāt,-tit/
1. a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle. synonyms: dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat;

2. abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
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Without these "apostates" there would have been NO Catholic Church for you to condemn 1500 years AFTER the facts.

Catholic priest and theologian German FATHER Martin Luther meant to reform his beloved ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. And the Church DID undergo reforms. It still does reform, like a work in progress. It IS made up of fallible, sinful human beings. Jesus was/is/always will be perfect. We can't be. Neither can Jesus' vicars. Peter sure wasn't; he denied Jesus THREE times.
Father Luther never meant to splinter Jesus' Roman Catholic Church into NOW 30,000+ DIFFERENT "Protestant" denominations.

Well, at least, dartuser, you are staying true to your "protesting" faith, whichever one of the 30,000 different "protesting" one it is.

BTW, I think that these are all useful discussions.

23 posted on 06/10/2014 6:29:55 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dartuser

And the Catholic Church has that truth — why don’t you believe the words of Jesus Christ? “And they shall be one.”


24 posted on 06/10/2014 6:30:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

This was one of the first articles I read when (re)investigating the Catholic Church. Thank God for Catholic Answers.

To me it seems simple: either Jesus established a visible Church that had teaching authority or he established an invisible one, that has no teaching authority. And if all the churches in the invisible one agree on fundamentals, why aren’t they unified in some visible way?

It’s bootstrapping to say the invisible church groups all agree on what matters. Is bootstrapping because no one has ever told me what these important doctrines are that they all agree upon, and/or which denominations are in, and which ones are out.


25 posted on 06/10/2014 6:41:13 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: dartuser
Ephesians teaches us that the basis for unity is TRUTH.

Not so simple.

[Jesus said]: “If your brother sins [against you], go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector." (Matthew 18:15-17)
And what is this church to which we are to turn? It cannot just be the local congregation with which we agree. This would just be an appeal to ourselves. In the dispute between Luther and Calvin to which church should they have appealed: the Lutheran congregation, the Calvinist congregation? No, the church to which we need to turn must be a visible one endowed with authority from God. Indeed we can see this in action in the Bible itself when a dispute arose among the Christians at Antioch. They did not appeal to themselves but turned to the Apostles and presbyters in Jerusalem. Notice not just the apostles but also to the presbyters that the apostles had already established to assist themselves. Also notice how they worded their response:
This is the letter delivered by them: “The apostles and the presbyters, your brothers, to the brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia of Gentile origin: greetings. Since we have heard that some of our number [who went out] without any mandate from us have upset you with their teachings and disturbed your peace of mind, we have with one accord decided to choose representatives and to send them to you along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, who have dedicated their lives to the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. So we are sending Judas and Silas who will also convey this same message by word of mouth: ‘It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us… (Acts 15:23-28)
Notice how the apostles joined the the authority of the presbyters to themselves. Notice also that they are invoking the authority of the Holy Spirit in their decision. Their response carries the authority of God himself and is not just the mere opinion of men.

I would also draw your attention to the line:

Since we have heard that some of our number [who went out] without any mandate from us have upset you with their teachings and disturbed your peace of mind…
The dispute at Antioch arose because there were some who were preaching without the authority of the church, just as the divisions within Christianity arose because the Reformers went out preaching without any mandate from the church. No, the church to which we must turn, as the Jesus himself tells us, must be visible and must posses the authority of God.

As long as Rome is apostate…

And by what authority do you judge Rome as apostate? If it is merely your own private interpretation of Scripture then each to his own and unity among Christians is impossible.

…which it has been from the beginning…

If it is from the beginning then how can you accept what the early church has handed down as Scripture?

26 posted on 06/10/2014 6:47:25 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Salvation

Christ had ascended into heaven. So with the help of eye-witnesses and the Holy Spirit these Gospels were scribed.


That is true.


27 posted on 06/10/2014 6:56:03 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: cloudmountain
So, what you are saying is that for some 1500+ years ALL Christians, that is, ALL Catholics were "apostate"??

You're under the mistaken impression that there were only Roman Catholics for the first 1500+ years.

And no, that is not what I am saying. I believe (I know some) that there are genuine Christians among the Roman Catholic religion, just as there are genuine Christians among the Protestant denominations, perhaps even one or two Baptists lol ... but I also know that they did not become Christians by following the ordinances of the RCC, just as the Protestants did not become believers by reciting a prayer when they were 5.

They became believers in Christ by reading, hearing the scriptures and heeding the command to 'repent, believe, call on Him as Lord' ...

My, that IS a sweeping generalization and condemnation of BILLIONS of souls over 1500+ years.

And yet you would have no issue believing all the Jews have been lost since the time of Christ right?

Well, at least, dartuser, you are staying true to your "protesting" faith, whichever one of the 30,000 different "protesting" one it is.

There is only one faith ... as per Ephesians 4.5

If you read the entire context, you will see that the basis for unity here is truth. What truth? Doctrinal truth. Paul is telling us that these 7 truths about doctrine are the foundation that the apostles and prophets taught, that evangelists carry, that pastors and teachers today proclaim.

The purpose, to make us mature in Christ.

Do I believe there are Catholic Christians, yes. Do I believe they will ever become mature in the faith by remaining in the RCC, no.

28 posted on 06/10/2014 7:30:25 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: dartuser
There is only one faith ... as per Ephesians 4.5

Yes, but who defines that one faith, the church or dartuser? If there is one faith, can I preach that one faith on a regular basis from a Catholic perspective from the pulpit in your church? If not, by what authority do you or your pastor have to exclude me?

29 posted on 06/10/2014 7:48:11 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Great point! Bravo!


30 posted on 06/10/2014 7:57:04 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I’ve read part of this and so far it’s like other Catholic writings I’ve read on the same subject - it misuses Scripture. Scripture is just picked out and twisted to confirm what the Catholic priesthood has said. The Catholic Church (meaning the priesthood) puts itself as God (standing in place of Him) over the ordinary believer. What any Christian should really be looking for is how God Himself in any time or place is working. God doesn’t change, but He works all the time, and work changes things and accomplishes things. So we have to ask things like, what was or is God trying to do here, and what does He mean to be permanent and what temporary, and how long is temporary? etc. And the ultimate authority (not only, but ultimate) is His Word, the Bible. So what was happening when, say, Paul wrote to Timothy? There wasn’t the New Testament, but there was the Word of God, through the disciples (and others) who had lived and walked with Jesus and witnessed His Resurrection. The disciples were also Jews, so Cont’d


31 posted on 06/10/2014 8:03:51 AM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

Just FYI, you can write as much as you want in one post on FR. It’s not like other forums where you have a maximum character count for each post. (Another reason I like FR).


32 posted on 06/10/2014 8:07:22 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Faith Presses On

Ultimate authority — the Bible? No.

But how did the Bible come into being?

From person to person communication.

Old Testament and New Testament alike. The Old Testament wasn’t written down until the exile.

Gospels weren’t written until approximately 50 AD to 100 AD.

They got their information through Holy Tradition — mouth to mouth communication before they wrote it down.


33 posted on 06/10/2014 8:10:00 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Faith Presses On

**There wasn’t the New Testament, but there was the Word of God, through the disciples (and others) who had lived and walked with Jesus and witnessed His Resurrection.**

Exactly. Thanks for stopping by and verifying the above thesis.


34 posted on 06/10/2014 8:12:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain
So true. There are some 30,000 different Protestant denominations. Now if THAT isn't "discord" I would like to know what is.

Proof required.

35 posted on 06/10/2014 8:13:00 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Faith Presses On
And the ultimate authority (not only, but ultimate) is His Word, the Bible.

And where in the Bible does it say that it is the ultimate authority? Not an authority, which Catholics accept, but the ultimate authority. And to whom do we appeal if we disagree on the meaning of the Bible, such as about the Eucharist?

36 posted on 06/10/2014 8:15:19 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Faith Presses On
There wasn’t the New Testament, but there was the Word of God, through the disciples (and others) who had lived and walked with Jesus and witnessed His Resurrection.

Except, of course, that Mark and Luke did not live and walk with Jesus nor did they witness his Resurrection. Their gospels are accepted as Scripture because the church accepted them. The church came before the written New Testament; belief in the New Testament does not produce the church!

37 posted on 06/10/2014 8:19:46 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Yes, but who defines that one faith, the church or dartuser?

Neither ... God has defined it ... in the scriptures. The scriptures are sufficient for salvation, you do not seem to believe that.

If they are sufficient, I will not look anywhere else to understand what God requires of me.

If, however, I believe the scriptures are NOT sufficient, then I will look somewhere else for that additional truth required for salvation and I will wonder why God bothered to communicate to us through written language if we couldn't read and understand what He was trying to communicate.

Where are the entrance requirements for the kingdom stated? How about Mark 1:14-15, Acts 17:30-31, etc.

14 Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

Seems simple enough ...

can I preach that one faith on a regular basis from a Catholic perspective from the pulpit in your church?

Are you an elder? Have you been vetted through the elder qualifications listed in 1 Tim, 2 Tim, Titus, 1 Pet? And are you in agreement with our doctrinal statement? I suspect that at least some of these would disqualify you (mostly the doctrinal statement).

If not, by what authority do you or your pastor have to exclude me?

The authority of scripture, whereby you do not meet the qualifications listed to be an elder ... and further, you could not in good conscience (as a Catholic) sign our doctrinal statement that declares the scriptures are the sole rule for faith and practice.

Don't take it personally, I doubt your priest would allow me to preach in your church either lol ...

38 posted on 06/10/2014 8:19:52 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: ealgeone

Let us not quibble over the exact number of Protestant denominations. There is clearly division and discord among those who call themselves Protestant. If not there would be no need for the various denominations.


39 posted on 06/10/2014 8:21:24 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Salvation

they knew and understood so much about God and the Messiah already. The Bible says they were to be the Lord’s witnesses, and their testimony, along with power given them to do supernatural things like heal and raise the dead wherever they went, would quickly create a church of believers all over that area of the world. The Lord accomplished that through these first believers, who were surrendered to His will. So at that time, they didn’t have the New Testament, but they had the same thing in the disciples themselves, and their understanding of the Old Testament. And while they couldn’t write in detail about every possible situation, they did cover everything. So we see that the church at its beginning didn’t exalt Mary. In all the writings of what Christians are to be concerned with and think about, she doesn’t appear at all, while Catholic meditations on faith tend to turn to her very quickly. And where this has led to is to things like this. Last night on a Catholic radio station (11 p.m. on Relevant Cont’d


40 posted on 06/10/2014 8:22:42 AM PDT by Faith Presses On
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