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500 Years of Chaos: Protestantism’s Anniversary
Catholic Analysis ^ | 7 June 2014 | Philipp Rogall

Posted on 06/08/2014 1:59:17 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

In 2017, we will witness the 500th anniversary of one of the most important, influential and regrettable events in Church history: the Protestant Reformation, or the Protestant Rebellion, as some prefer to call it. Indeed, the latter term would suit me better, too. But, being German, I am used to the former expression and should I ever refer to said event as die protestantische Rebellion, people would think me some sort of radical. On that thought, perhaps it is worth noting that rebels are often quite radical themselves, which is one thing we can definitely say of the so-called "Reformers". To mark this anniversary, the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) has planned a number of events, beginning with a "Lutheran Decade" from 2008 to 2017. Each year has it’s own theme in the form of "The Reformation and…", i.e. Education, Freedom, Music, Tolerance, Politics and others.

The decade will culminate in the celebratory year of 2017, to which the President of the Evangelical "Church" in Germany (EKD), Nikolaus Schneider, has even invited Pope Francis. But, really, how likely is it His Holiness will hop on a plane and join in the celebration of someone his predecessor excommunicated? One might ask, is there any room for Catholics to take part in some sort of event? This is the question that is circulating in the mother country of the Reformation: Germany. The Most Reverend Gerhard Feige, Bishop of Magdeburg, is the Bishops' Conference's representative for ecumenical affairs. He has dedicated a lot of thought and time to the question how Catholics should view this event.

It begins with the name: Do we call it an anniversary, something that could imply happiness, or a commemoration of an event that has wrought such great damage upon the Body of Christ, His holy Bride, the Catholic Church? The German bishops have chosen the latter term. There is still confusion on the whole thing, though: The EKD is not being very clear on what exactly they want to celebrate. One hears catchy words such as "diversity", "conscience", and the like stuck onto the Reformation in their talk, but never do we hear of heresy, schism or even the antisemitism of Luther and his ilk. Indeed, who in his right mind would celebrate the chaos and harm inflicted on the Church by the so-called "Reformers"? Not even the Protestants organizing the event dare to say thus. Yet, one gets the impression that the whole event is not actually interested in critically evaluating the past, or their theology for that matter, but rather praising it as the dawn of an era of "tolerance" and "liberty".

Could this be any further from the truth? Professor Heinz Schilling of Berlin, a member of the advisory board for the anniversary, stated in an interview that Luther was "everything but tolerant" and criticized the EKD as "quite understandably not interested in any of the research’s findings". He went even further and said that the organizers made themselves appear "laughable among scholars" by claiming what they do. Margot Käßmann, who is the anniversary’s ambassador and a former Lutheran "bishop", once claimed that it was thanks to Luther that her sect had female "bishops". The professor criticizes this as yet another inaccuracy and something that Luther certainly did not envision. Is it any wonder, then, that the EKD has not come out clearly and said what the entire occasion is about for them, as the bishops have repeatedly bewailed, if even their own board members see through their catchy slogans?

What about us Catholics? Is there any way in which we can join our separated brethren in their commemoration? I argue: no. Some will disagree, but to me, the Reformation is intrinsically connected to fracture in the Body of Christ, heresy and the resulting total chaos. I could never join any such "commemoration", even if one doesn't call it an "anniversary" for the sake of appeasing Catholics. When have we ever "commemorated" the schism of 1054, or any heresy, for that matter? I believe we would do great harm to the effort of achieving Christian unity by taking part in any way. It obscures the borders between Catholicism and Protestantism, confuses people, and may even cause scandal.

The aforementioned Margot Käßmann suggested the following kind of participation of Catholics and Protestants: Each group could begin a pilgrimage on their own route, and reach one common destination. She would also like the program to achieve that all people learn "that 31 October is Reformation Day and not Halloween", to which Bishop Feige of Magdeburg replied "and the eve of All Saints". But the problem I see with Käßmann’s proposal is this: Although the idea might seem nice, it suggests that Protestantism and Catholicism are somehow equals. They most definitely are not. And certainly not according to Luther himself! Catholics know that their Church is the Church Christ the Lord founded on St. Peter, and Protestantism's very name already suggests otherwise. The Reformers made that point very clear. From a Catholic point of view, a heretical movement that splits the Church cannot be of equal worth as the One True Faith. Just think how we would have fought Arianism if such had been our position! This is not to say that Protestants aren't Christians, of course, but we must realize that Protestantism is not what our Lord willed us to have or believe: Catholicism is. Thus, two equal pilgrimages reaching one destination à la Käßmann would cause scandal and confusion. I assume she does not want it to symbolize the way we might some day find unity, but rather the common destination means Christ. But that is precisely the point: The Catholic Church is the ark of salvation, the Body and Bride of Christ, and She alone has "the words of eternal life" (John 6:68). She is Christ in this world apart from Whom "no one comes to the Father" (John 14:6). Protestantism has distorted those words of eternal life fundamentally, and thus cannot be on equal footing with Holy Mother Church. If Christ is "the Way, the Truth and the Life" apart from Whom there is no salvation, then so is the Catholic Church, for She is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23, Colossians 1:24).

Thus, let me emphasize again: Celebrating the Reformation, or even commemorating it with Protestants, will blur the sharp line between the One True Church and those communities that came from the Protestant Reformation. It will scandalize and, actually, almost certainly make Christian unity harder to achieve. For in pretending Protestantism is somehow equally valid or of the same dignity as Catholicism, we take away the very reason for Christian unity: to be united in the one Church that our Lord left us, founded on Peter in the person of the Roman Pontiff.

Therefore, I hope the German bishops decide not to participate – however unlikely that is. It remains to be seen whether the ecumenical progress in achieving unity hoped for will come about. Let us pray, that 2017 will bring to many people's attention the Truth of Catholicism and the scandal that the separation of Christians is, fostering in them the desire for unity with Christ in His Bride, which is Holy Church.

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To: GeronL

“...we will when Jesus returns, we won’t need fancy robes or languages or ceremonies then...”

Those who wear the fancy robes with their ‘languages’ and ceremonies won’t recognize him. They will be just like the Pharisees 2000 years ago.

And those ‘evangelicals’ living in $10 million mansions or having worldwide outreach with their TV shows with huge income from their ‘pleadings’ to their audiences won’t recognize him either.

His return will be seen as a threat to their existance (and it will be). Their shout...’crucify, crucify’!


61 posted on 06/08/2014 3:13:34 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: RginTN
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

exactly. But Catholics do not believe that. They pray to hundreds of different "Saints" (Saints who are designated by humans, mind you). Apparently they also really think the organization of the Catholic Church is in and of itself holy. Unscriptural.

62 posted on 06/08/2014 3:14:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: narses; GeronL
“Just because there is more than one church does not mean there is disorder or confusion.”

Some support divorce, some support queers pretending to be married some support women in the pulpit, and others do not. That is rank disorder and confusion FRiend.

And some of those SAME people are Roman Catholics! Did having total control over all of Christendom, as the Roman Catholic church enjoyed for over a thousand years, prevent heresy, schism, debauchery within and without, genocide, infanticide, homosexual bishops and priests, sexual abuse of children and all the various and sundry evils within humanity??? The TRUTH never changed and never will.

63 posted on 06/08/2014 3:14:44 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

How many of those mansions have golden roofs?


64 posted on 06/08/2014 3:15:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: RginTN

Read carefully. Since the Church is the Body of Christ, She represents Christ — therefore, apart from Her, there is no salvation.


65 posted on 06/08/2014 3:15:15 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

Actually, to be accurate and honest, the title should have said “500 Years of being Born Again, freed from their sin, and actually finding God”


66 posted on 06/08/2014 3:15:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Bryan24

What heresy?


67 posted on 06/08/2014 3:17:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums

Oh, please. Now you’re a victim. Cry me a river, baby.


68 posted on 06/08/2014 3:18:18 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Those TV shows... EWTN?

I don’t follow any televangelist, I don’t consider them worthy any more than I would consider any pomp and circumstance worthy.


69 posted on 06/08/2014 3:19:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL; narses
Read John 17:11, GeronL.

God demands that we be united in a manner similar to the Trinity! Surely, the Trinity does not disagree on doctrine! To say otherwise is to blaspheme!
70 posted on 06/08/2014 3:20:01 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: Bryan24
Your assertions are mistaken. Here are the heresies that tried to water down or change the Catholic Church, FYI!

How Modern Heresies Isolate Us and Leave Us Unfulfilled

On Punching Heretics
Catholic Word of the Day: HERESY, 09-21-13
They Just Won't Go Away: Ancient Heresies in Post-Modern Dress (Ecumenical)
Radio Replies Second Volume - Eutychianism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Nestorianism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Arianism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Manichaeism
Radio Replies Second Volume - Defections From the Catholic Church
Radio Replies Second Volume - Gnosticism
Marcionites

Nestorius on Mary as the Mother of God (Ecumenical)
The Day Nestorius Rocked the Church and an Empire
How Quickly Catholic Heresy Took Over the Church (Immediately)
Hilaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies” now available in EPUB format
Chapter 6: The Modern Phase [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 5: What Was The Reformation? [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 4: The Albigensian Attack [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 3: The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed [The Great Heresies]
Chapter 2: The Arian Heresy [The Great Heresies
Chapter 1: Scheme Of This Book [The Great Heresies]

Introduction: Heresy [The Great Heresies]
The Great Heresies
John Calvin’s Worst Heresy: That Christ Suffered in Hell
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Succumbs to Heresy
The Bishop Discovers Heresy?
From Orthodox to Heresy: The Secularizing of Catholic Universities
Progressivism/Liberalism is Heresy [Excellent read & reference]
Is heresy better than schism? [Ecumenical]
Modernism: The Modernist Heresy
THE GREAT HERESIES-THE MODERN PHASE

The Protestant Heresy
The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene
Americanism, Then and Now: Our Pet Heresy (encyclical of Pope Leo XIII)
Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times
The Plain Truth About The Baptist Bride Heresy
Balthasar, Hell, and Heresy: An Exchange (is it compatable with the Catholic faith?)
Know Your Heresies
The Rev. John Piper: an interesting look at "heresy vs. schism"
Pietism as an Ecclesiological Heresy
Heresy
Arian Heresy Still Tempts, Says Cardinal Bertone (Mentions Pelagianism As Well)

Catholic Discussion] Church group stays faithful (to heresy!)
An overview of modern anti-Trinitarian heresies
Where heresy and dissent abound [Minnesota]
Gnostic Gospels - the heresy entitled "Gnosticism."
Christian mavericks find affirmation in ancient heresies
The So-Called ‘Gospel’ of Judas: Unmasking an Ancient Heresy
Benedict XVI Heresies and Errors
Donatism (Know your heresies)
The Heresy of Mohammed (Chapter 4, The Great Heresies)
Father & Son Catholic Writers Tag-Team Old & New Heresies

71 posted on 06/08/2014 3:20:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GeronL

The thread creator did write the Catholic church is Christ. No scripture says that. Guess his purpose was to create the chaos his thread said protestants created.


72 posted on 06/08/2014 3:20:43 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: cripplecreek

**As far as I’m concerned, people who seek to sow discord between Catholics and protestants are a long way from serving God.**

Amen! The truth will prevail.


73 posted on 06/08/2014 3:21:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SoConPubbie
So, you say that everyone born before then is burning in Hell right now?

Oh, Lord....
74 posted on 06/08/2014 3:21:25 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

I am united with those who follow Christ. No man will come unto the father except through Jesus.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me


75 posted on 06/08/2014 3:21:51 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: RginTN; GeronL
The Church is the Body of Christ, RginTN.
76 posted on 06/08/2014 3:22:40 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: Lx

Catholics do NOT worship Mary. This belief is one of the biggest misbeliefs that non-Catholics have.

We worship, God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


77 posted on 06/08/2014 3:23:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: gusopol3

Do you always address people in such a fashion?


78 posted on 06/08/2014 3:24:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dallas59

How old is your church?


79 posted on 06/08/2014 3:27:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: matthewrobertolson

The church is never identified as Catholic.

Salvation is always thru Jesus Christ.


80 posted on 06/08/2014 3:27:48 PM PDT by RginTN
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