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500 Years of Chaos: Protestantism’s Anniversary
Catholic Analysis ^ | 7 June 2014 | Philipp Rogall

Posted on 06/08/2014 1:59:17 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

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To: Salvation

Well

Y’all do sleep and eat.....in turns.


381 posted on 06/09/2014 10:47:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: Syncro; Lx; Salvation
So reading and believing the Bible is idolatry huh?

LX stated very clearly that he worships the Bible. And Gash darn it, if he says it, it must be 100% true.

Heck I teach woodworking down here at one of the local schools and I want to be on record as offering to build a shrine for him to use in his Bible worship. Heck and of the rest of you protestants that want me to I will build one for you. I won't even charge you labor, just the cost of the lumber.

382 posted on 06/09/2014 10:48:50 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: Iscool
Tell me exactly what is the difference between the "Soul" and the "spirit"?

And cite your experts.

383 posted on 06/09/2014 10:51:44 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: verga
well since I am a Servant of Christ and so are All Catholics, I guess it was directed at us. Don’t protestants conside3r themselves servants of the most High Lord?

I call myself a Christian who follows Jesus Christ who died on a cross for my sins.

I can't speak for anyone else.

384 posted on 06/09/2014 10:52:05 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone
You all are great at dodging the question. Here it is again (including the typo)Don’t protestants conside3r themselves servants of the most High Lord?

Simple yes or no question

385 posted on 06/09/2014 10:55:31 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: matthewrobertolson; Gamecock; metmom; HarleyD
What about us Catholics? Is there any way in which we can join our separated brethren in their commemoration? I argue: no. Some will disagree, but to me, the Reformation is intrinsically connected to fracture in the Body of Christ, heresy and the resulting total chaos. I could never join any such "commemoration", even if one doesn't call it an "anniversary" for the sake of appeasing Catholics. When have we ever "commemorated" the schism of 1054, or any heresy, for that matter?


386 posted on 06/09/2014 10:55:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: verga
You all are great at dodging the question. Here it is again (including the typo)Don’t protestants conside3r themselves servants of the most High Lord? Simple yes or no question

Nope...it's a bait question. Again, I can't answer what all protestants believe just as you can't answer what all catholics believe.

I've answered the question but I'll do so again. I follow Jesus Christ who died on a cross for my sins. With that statement means I follow His Word as noted in the Old and New Testaments.

I can't make it any clearer than that.

387 posted on 06/09/2014 11:00:49 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: verga; ealgeone
well since I am a Servant of Christ and so are All Catholics, I guess it was directed at us. Don’t protestants conside3r themselves servants of the most High Lord?

Do you consider the "catholics in name only" to also be servants of the most High Lord?

Are you asking whether each Protestant considers every Catholic-labelled-them-as-Protestant to also be servants of the most High Lord?

388 posted on 06/09/2014 11:21:03 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy
Are you asking whether each Protestant considers every Catholic-labelled-them-as-Protestant to also be servants of the most High Lord?

I have read this question three times and even asked one of the Protestants here at work, what this questions means and we are both stymied.

389 posted on 06/09/2014 11:33:16 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: ealgeone

No it isn’t, yes you can. Yes or no.


390 posted on 06/09/2014 11:33:52 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: verga; ealgeone
I have read this question three times and even asked one of the Protestants here at work, what this questions means and we are both stymied.

Who gets to define what constitutes being a "Protestant"? The Protestant being asked the question, or the Catholic doing the asking? Will the term be defined, before the answer is demanded?

FWIW, I liked ealgeone's prior answer.

391 posted on 06/09/2014 11:46:13 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Kackikat
Thank you for noting that the Sabbath is Saturday and always will be....Sunday is the first day of the week, and the Bible does declare that ‘whatever day a man honors unto the Lord, let him honor it.”

Right - Any day is a good day to worship.

I think Sunday Church recognition as a Sabbath ‘day of rest’ came about from farms being so far from the Church and tithes were paid on the first day of the week, so it was easier to have services on the day the ‘first fruits’ were brought.

I am afraid it is a bit more nefarious than that.

But the genesis, I believe, starts with the fact that the Jews invented the potluck dinner. When the Sabbath was over (Saturday evening, the beginning of Sunday) it was customary for Jews to get together in potluck fashion with the intent of extending the Sabbath as far as they could. The Christians followed that custom, with their common belief causing them to naturally gather together exclusive of other Judaic sects. There they would really break bread together, to begin with the Communion (which has it's own basis in Judaism), followed by the potluck meal. It was at one such session that Paul talked till midnight, and the poor kid fell asleep and fell out the window...

There was friction between these Nazarenes and the Pharisees, no doubt a catalyst. But one must remember there were many sects in Judaism. However, after some decades, the Jews began evicting Nazarenes from the synagogues. That wedge was certainly there, and it made it difficult for Nazarenes to remain. But the real work of it came by edict and decree - First by Imperial Rome, and later, the Roman church.

392 posted on 06/09/2014 11:46:15 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: verga

Don’t protestants conside3r themselves servants of the most High Lord?


I don`t know what I am for sure, maybe a protestant although I am not sure they would claim me and I am sure the Catholics would not claim me.

I do not think I could be called a servant of Christ but I am a believer and I try to be a follower but at times have done a pretty sorry job of it.


393 posted on 06/09/2014 11:46:48 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Cronos

I’m talking about institutional monopolies. They don’t work any better in the ecclesiastical realm than in business or government or public schools. Monopolies breed arrogance and self-protective corruption. Choice and competition keep institutions on their toes and make them more accountable to and concerned about their members/clients.


394 posted on 06/09/2014 1:20:08 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: verga; Lx
Do you read the Bible or just disregard it's importance, and defer to Roman tradition as gospel and worship Mary instead of Jesus?

The Bible is Jesus, the Word made flesh.

Hint, it's in the NT.

Do you know that in the Religion Forum it is against the rules to declare something about another poster that is not true?

I believe the admonition is "discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal"

Heck and of(sic) the rest of you protestants...

Please do the right thing and ask the Religion Moderator to remove your mindreading post.

395 posted on 06/09/2014 1:21:37 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Alex Murphy; verga

It seems to me two parties discussing a subject shood come to mutual agreement about terms used in such a discussion. So for example, if the term “Protestant” is used in a discussion about Catholicism, if there is disagreement about what a “Protestant” is, both parties should establish that definition before proceeding or else the discussion is meaningless.

This kind of mutual agreement is usually acomplished through interrogatories, by both parties, until a mutually agreeable definition is reached. Or not reached, and if not then the conversation ends right there.

It seems to me a lot of time is wasted back and forth when many do not agree on basic definitions to begin with. Without such, again any further correspondence is pointless


396 posted on 06/09/2014 1:31:54 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: RginTN; matthewrobertolson

Top 10 Most Wicked Popes

http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/

1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]

Top 10 Worst Popes in History

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php

1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 – 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 – 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 – 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? – 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? – 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 – 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 – 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 – 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 – 1303)


397 posted on 06/09/2014 1:41:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Syncro; Lx; Religion Moderator
Do you read the Bible or just disregard it's importance, and defer to Roman tradition as gospel and worship Mary instead of Jesus?

I read it almost every day. We have a Bible plan that gets you through the entire Bible in one year and the Catechism as well. If you like I can give you a link to it.

Do you know that in the Religion Forum it is against the rules to declare something about another poster that is not true?

I believe the admonition is "discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal"

Yes that is correct.

Please do the right thing and ask the Religion Moderator to remove your mindreading post.

Which post is it that you are talking about? Here is a copy of LX's post #185. I have left it intact and in it's entirety. The only modification I have made was to bold the part where LX feely admits to worshipping the Bible. Now a real Christian would have checked to verify before he falsely accused, or would admit his error and apologize. I will not be holding my breath since I have seen only one protestant on these forums ever admit an error.

Protestant's worship the Bible, only, at least the ones I've belonged to. There's no elevating a man (Pope) or praying to folks other than God or Jesus. No man written Catechism, no numerous man made rules and regulations. And, maybe Jesus (he's omniscient except for knowing the time of his return) maybe needed Peter to start the Church knowing how they would fall away from the true word and lead to Protestantism? What religion was the Spanish Inquisition? 185 posted on Sunday, June 8, 2014 9:47:59 PM by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")

398 posted on 06/09/2014 2:00:42 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: Lx

Logic is in fact one of my strong suits. The Protestant churches came out of the Roman Catholic churche. They are her daughters and have retained many of her errors.


399 posted on 06/09/2014 2:34:51 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Salvation

One of the most disturbing things I have seen is that so many Catholics simply say that salvation is through Mary, not Jesus. Mary was the most blessed person ever, with St. Joseph a second. But they are not God. They did not die for my or anyone else’s sins.

Saying you Better be right with Mary or else isn’t even good Catholic theology


400 posted on 06/09/2014 3:25:22 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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