“So says Pope NKP_Vet, who has deemed the words in the Roman Catholic Church Catechism that contradict his exclusive salvation gospel as “someone’s opinion””
CCC 846.
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
PS: Every Catholic-bashing protestant on FR knows what the Church teaches for salvation. So ignorance is no excuse.
NKP_Vet, Do you have any scripture (you know, like from God's Word, the Holy Bible) to back up that statement? And you can omit the "footnotes", they don't count.
From Lumen Gentium #15:
So, tell me, which Pope is right? One says only those who submit to the Pope can be saved while another says non-Catholic Christians ARE Christians and can be saved outside of being members of the Roman Catholic church. How can they all be infallible yet contradict each others own ex cathedra pronouncements?
When I asked you this before (several times, actually, because you refuse to answer), you could only reply, "So the writers if that particular part of the CCC are an opinion.". You are now INSISTING that only Roman Catholics can be saved. You are asserting you know better than the magesterium that put together Vatican II documents of which Lumen Gentium is part and which says Christians CAN be saved who are NOT Roman Catholics. How can BOTH statements be true and, if they aren't, which one is in error?
Every protestant-bashing Catholic on FR SHOULD know what the BIBLE teaches for salvation. So arrogance is no excuse.
Every Catholic-bashing protestant on FR knows what the Church teaches for salvation. So ignorance is no excuse.
That this excludes every Catholic-bashing protestant on FR is simply your interpretation of Rome's ambiguity as what "know the Catholic Church" precisely refers to, and many other RCs call them brothers, and the CCC affirms:
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church.
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324
And which comes from V2:
LUMEN GENTIUM: 16. The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. (Cf. Gal. 4:6; Rom. 8:15-16 and 26)
For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities...
They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood...
John Paul II, Tertio Millennio Adveniente (# 37), Nov. 10, 1994: The witness to Christ borne even to the shedding of blood has become a common inheritance of Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and Protestants, as Pope Paul VI pointed out in his Homily for the Canonization of the Ugandan Martyrs.(22)...Perhaps the most convincing form of ecumenism is the ecumenism of the saints and of the martyrs. The communio sanctorum speaks louder than the things which divide us. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_10111994_tertio-millennio-adveniente_en.html
All Christian Communities know that, thanks to the power given by the Spirit, obeying that will and overcoming those obstacles are not beyond their reach. All of them in fact have martyrs for the Christian faith [some by the hands of Rome]... These Saints come from all the Churches and Ecclesial Communities which gave them entrance into the communion of salvation...This universal presence of the Saints is in fact a proof of the transcendent power of the Spirit. It is the sign and proof of God's victory over the forces of evil which divide humanity. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html
Trying to read into all these affirmations of Protestants a restriction that has them only referring to those who are ignorant of the claims of Rome would be so restrictive as to essentially render these affirmations meaningless.
But rather than defining "know the Catholic church" as excluding all who know of the claims of Rome but will not join her, many other modern writings convey the opposite, inferring it refers to those who actually believe the claims of the Catholic church but refuse to join her.
And indeed, while we know of Rome's claims to be the one Catholic [universal] Church, what we actually know most assuredly is that she is not.
And note that CCC 838 simply makes the Orthodox Churches closer. But if "Catholic church" is defined as being the Latin church then it excludes the Byzantine, who also regard themselves as the one true church, and reject papal claims to power and infallibility.
And which exclusion some RCs hold to, as the CCC is not itself an infallible document, but such veracity depends upon past infallible teaching, and in which the Greeks were also excluded:
"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." "If [or when], therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16)." Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam.
Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors. Did not the ancestors of those who are now entangled in the errors of Photius [the eastern “Orthodox” schismatics] and the reformers [the Protestants], obey the Bishop of Rome, the chief shepherd of souls?...Let none delude himself with obstinate wrangling. For life and salvation are here concerned, which will be lost and entirely destroyed, unless their interests are carefully and assiduously kept in mind.”“ — Pope Pius XI, Pontifex Maximus, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), 11, Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928, #11. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11MORTA.HTM
Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis: "They, therefore, walk in the path of dangerous error who believe that they can accept Christ as the Head of the Church, while not adhering loyally to His Vicar on earth. They have taken away the visible head, broken the visible bonds of unity and left the Mystical Body of the Redeemer so obscured and so maimed, that those who are seeking the haven of eternal salvation can neither see it nor find it... Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (On the Mystical Body of Christ), Encyclical promulgated on June 29, 1943, #41-42, 69. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi_en.html
St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36 http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38
However, what being "committed to Peter and to his successors" and "adhering loyally" and being subject to the pope means is manifestly subject to interpretation, and thus the Byzantines are affirmed as somehow doing this even though they reject the Peter of Rome as being infallible and exercising universal unhindered power, and reject the RCs doctrine of Original sin and thus the Immaculate Conception, and her Purgatory, among other things, which the CCC teaches.
And likewise, rather than the rather ambiguous "knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ" as excluding the vast majority of Prots from salvation, it and other modern teachings affirm them, leaving us to understand it refers to those who know as a truth the necessity of the Catholic church for salvation but refuse to do enter or remain in her, not those who honestly do not see the church of Rome as being that church, but are part of the universal body of believers.