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To: NKP_Vet
CCC 846. “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 PS: Every Catholic-bashing protestant on FR knows what the Church teaches for salvation. So ignorance is no excuse.

From Lumen Gentium #15:

    The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. (14*) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (15*) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(16*) They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. In all of Christ's disciples the Spirit arouses the desire to be peacefully united, in the manner determined by Christ, as one flock under one shepherd, and He prompts them to pursue this end. (17*) Mother Church never ceases to pray, hope and work that this may come about. She exhorts her children to purification and renewal so that the sign of Christ may shine more brightly over the face of the earth. (Vatican II - Lumen Gentium)

So, tell me, which Pope is right? One says only those who submit to the Pope can be saved while another says non-Catholic Christians ARE Christians and can be saved outside of being members of the Roman Catholic church. How can they all be infallible yet contradict each others own ex cathedra pronouncements?

When I asked you this before (several times, actually, because you refuse to answer), you could only reply, "So the writers if that particular part of the CCC are an opinion.". You are now INSISTING that only Roman Catholics can be saved. You are asserting you know better than the magesterium that put together Vatican II documents of which Lumen Gentium is part and which says Christians CAN be saved who are NOT Roman Catholics. How can BOTH statements be true and, if they aren't, which one is in error?

365 posted on 05/29/2014 7:23:31 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: boatbums

The Cathecism states. Read is slow. Maybe it’ll sink in this time.

CCC 846. “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 PS: Every Catholic-bashing protestant on FR knows what the Church teaches for salvation. So ignorance is no excuse


368 posted on 05/29/2014 9:31:31 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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